tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-40346202632438303832024-03-13T01:50:50.539-07:00Armenian Genocide BallyhooAngels of 1915Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4034620263243830383.post-25258700960041576492017-11-05T11:52:00.000-08:002017-11-05T11:52:21.582-08:00Letter to Middle East Studies Association (MESA) from Ferruh Demirmen About ''The Workshop on Armenian Turkish Scholarship'' <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
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</xml><![endif]--><span style="font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.0pt; letter-spacing: .05pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Verdana;">Professor Beth Baron, MESA President, City University of New York <b><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"><br /> </span></b>Dr. Amy W. Newhall, MESA Executive
Director<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><br /><br />Workshop on Armenian Turkish
Scholarship (WATS) Conference, 2017, Berlin <br />Title: “Past in the Present:
European Approaches to the Armenian Genocide”<br /><i> </i><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"><br /><br /> </span>Dear Professor Baron and Dr. Newhall,<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Your letter of September 15, 2017 addressed
to President Recep<b><i> </i></b>Tayyip<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>E rdoğan<b> </b>and Prime Minister<i> </i>Binali<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Yıldırım<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>of Turkey, copied<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>to
a<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>num- ber of other dignitaries, has
belatedly come to my attention. In the letter you are expressing your “deep
concern”<b> </b>about the steps certain circles in Turkey are taking to prevent
scholars based in Turkey from participating in the aforementioned WATS
conference in Berlin (September 15-18, 2017) having the theme of “Armenian
Genocide.”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> <br /><a href="https://mesana.org/pdf/Turkey20170915.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://mesana.org/pdf/Turkey20170915.pdf </a><br /></span>You state that such action
is an “assault” on the academic freedom of scholars in Turkey, signifying a
trend of “stifling scholarship.”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> <br /><br /> </span>In the
letter you mention no fewer than 10 times the precepts of “academic freedom”
and “freedom of expression,” both essential to scholarly work, and both of
which you state you hold in high esteem.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span><br /><br />Dear ladies, your letter, considered on its face value, would be universally
applauded in the academic circles. Except that you have left out one critical
piece of information in your letter: the WATS conferences, altogether held 10
times since 2000, have been expressly one-sided or exclusionary. Those welcome
are those academicians, Turkish or foreign, who subscribe to the “genocide”
thesis. (Those with Turkish names, of course, are particularly welcome!). In
contrast, scholars or researchers who oppose “Armenian genocide,” whether
Turkish or foreign, have been excluded from the conferences. They are “persona
non-grata” by design.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><br /><br />With the Berlin
conference, for example, Turkish researchers known to support the Turkish view
who wanted to attend the conference were turned down. In some cases the excuses
given were “lack of space.” In other instances requests or inquiries for
registration went unanswered. One person in the latter category who made a
“crash entrance” to the conference – without any questions asked at the door –
soon attracted attention in the conference hall, and was asked to leave because
he was not registered. He had noticed that the conference hall, with 25-30
people present, was less than half-full. So much about “lack of space”!<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><br /><br />As persons holding academic titles, and as
Directors of a learned society MESA, you should be aware that conferences dealing
with scholarly work should be open to diverse opinions without bias or
prejudice. At the heart of such conferences is free exchange of ideas. This is
what “freedom of expression” is about.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span><br /><br />Otherwise a WATS conference such as the one that was held in Berlin is
no different than the Ku Klux Clan holding a conference on “Race Relations in
America,” limiting the attendance to its members, and boasting about the
virtues of “freedom of expression.”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> <br /></span>You should also be aware that “Armenian genocide” is a
controversial issue among the scholars, a fact pointed out by none other than
the highest human rights organization in Europe, the European Court of Human
Rights (ECHR), in its ruling<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>on the
SwitzerlandPerinçek case in 2013, and again in 2015.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12.0pt;"></span>
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<span style="font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Verdana;">In
1985, for example, 69 U.S. historians and researchers, among them the eminent
historian Bernard Lewis, passed a unanimous resolution, addressed to members of
the U.S. House of Representatives and published in <i>The New York Times</i>
and <i>The Washington Post</i>, refuting Armenian genocide allegations. These
were academicians specializing in Turkish, Ottoman and Middle Eastern studies.
Many of these academicians were subsequently harassed or intimidated by the
pro-genocide camp. In 2011 124 Turkish academicians signed a statement
supporting the 1985 declaration. </span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12.0pt;"></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Verdana;">The
controversial aspect of the 1915 events in Ottoman Anatolia being indisputable,
what gives the right to MESA to ignore the contra-genocide views and exclude
from the WATS conferences those academicians that are in this camp? </span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12.0pt;"></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.0pt; letter-spacing: -.05pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Verdana;">Are you the God’s chosen arbiter on historical truth? </span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12.0pt;"></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Verdana;">If it
is any consolation for you, however, MESA is not the only organization or
institution in America to have such overtly prejudicial stance on “Armenian genocide.”
We know the socalled “International Association of Genocide Scholars,” a biased
group that, over the years, has treated contra-genocide scholars like the
plague that must be avoided, and universities such as the UCLA where the
anti-Turk sentiment is so strong that the now-deceased history professor
Stanford Shaw was not only bullied, but was forced to retire early from the
university in 1992 after his house was bombed by Armenian hoodlums. </span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12.0pt;"></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Verdana;">Prof.
Shaw’s “crime” was that he did not subscribe to the Armenian narrative of the
1915 events. </span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12.0pt;"></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Verdana;">We also
know institutions who have prostituted themselves under the banner of academic
scholarship to promote exclusively pro-Armenian genocide studies so as to
attract donations from Armenian sources. If you try to argue for independent
research in these institutions, they will think you are speaking in Chinese. </span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12.0pt;"></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Verdana;">What is
perhaps equally disgraceful, some academic institutions have caved in to
antiTurkish Armenian pressure and obstructionism when invited speakers are
prevented from giving presentations on Turkish history even on a topic that is
remotely related to “Armenian genocide.”
<a href="http://www.turkishny.com/english-news/5-english-news/229713academic-freedom-incident-at-california-university-on-ataturk-talk-reminder-of-sordid-past">http://www.turkishny.com/english-news/5-english-news/229713academic-freedom-incident-at-california-university-on-ataturk-talk-reminder-of-sordid-past</a>.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12.0pt;"></span></div>
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</xml><![endif]--><span style="font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.0pt; line-height: 115%; mso-ansi-language: TR; mso-bidi-font-family: Verdana; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: TR; mso-fareast-theme-font: minor-fareast;"><br /><br />Separate from the above issue of ingrained prejudice,
rooted in religion and ethnicity, I need not belabor here to explain why the
“Armenian genocide” is a fiction, why the Ottoman government had no intent to
harm the Armenian refuges during Relocation, that it was merely an
intercommunal strife, why the so-called “Andonian files” and the infamous
“Hitler Quote” are fakes, why “Ambassador Morgenthau’s Story” lacks any
credibility, why the claimed killing of 1.5 million Armenian refuges by Ottoman
Turks is an obscene exaggeration, how the Armenian narrative of the 1915 events
shamelessly ignores the massacre of more than half a million civilian Muslim
(and Jewish) victims at the hands of renegade Armenian bands
during 1910-1922, what the 1923 Hovannes Katchznouni Manifesto says, what the
1919-1921 Malta Tribunal signifies, why the US Congress in April 1920 rejected
the American Mandate for Armenia based on General<b> </b>James G. Harbord’s
report post visit to the war zone, and why the 1923 Lausanne Treaty ended
Armenian aspirations for “Greater Armenia.”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
<br /></span>Nor do I need to remind you of the Dashnak/Nazi collaboration in WW-II,
the post-war ASALA/JCAG Armenian terror perpetrated against Turkish diplomats,
the Khojaly Massacre, and how the well-funded, well-organized Armenian lobby in
North America – relying in part on Diaspora-funded, Hollywood-created
extravaganza - distorts historical facts and gains support in the media and
among the politicians, with no retrospection, no debate, and no questions asked
– all the while creating ethnic strife and animosity feeding de facto racism in
the society.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> <br /></span>I will be more direct on
one particular topic, however: The 1948 UN Convention on Genocide. Article VI
of this Convention stipulates that the crime of genocide must be established by
a competent tribunal, requiring a court verdict. It is the standard in
international law that is acknowledged and elucidated by the ECHR in the
SwitzerlandPerinçek landmark case in 2013 and 2015, and again by France’s
Constitutional Council in 2016. Under this Convention individuals, parliaments,
governments and the establishments such as MESA do not have the authority to
pass judgment on genocide.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><br /><br />Yet, there exists
no court verdict on “Armenian genocide.” None whatsoever. (In this context, you
may wonder why Armenia has not taken its case to the International Court of
Justice in The Hague, as Croatia did in 1999 against Serbia. You may be
surprised when you read the court’s verdict).<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span><br /><br />That being the case, attributing to Turks the odious crime of genocide
in connection with the 1915 events is wrong, and should be called what it is:
gross injustice, and willful character assassination. Such defamatory charges
cannot be condoned.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><br /><br />The crime<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>of genocide is enshrined in and governed by
international law. We live in a society of laws, and we must respect the laws,
including international laws. No excuses.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
<br /></span>You will understand, I hope, why Turks are so indignant and resentful
when they are wrongly accused of “Armenian genocide.” It is like adding insult
to injury when such accusations are levied in the context of human rights, and
the treasonous acts of Armenians in time of war and the atrocities committed by
their renegade militias against the local civilian population are disgracefully
overlooked.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><br /><br />And that is why, in some
circles in Turkey, there has been an outcry of protests when an entity such as
MESA organizes an international WATS conference not far from its borders,
freely accusing Turks of “genocide,” welcoming Turkish academicians that are
willing to participate in the Turk-bashing orgy, and yet excluding Turks that
understandably want to express their views, defend their heritage – and the
truth as they see it.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><br /><br />What Turks really
expect is decency in historical discourse.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span><br /><br />As for certain Turkish academicians in Turkey that are the focus of your
complaint, I do not know to what extent your accusations of them being harassed
by their universities or Turkey’s Council of Higher Education (YÖK) are correct.
I would argue that academicians should normally be free to say and write what
they want. I would also argue, however, that such academicians should not
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genocide.” The Konrad Adenauer Foundation, for example, is one such foreign
source. Research findings from such studies are inherently tainted, and the
incestuous relationship between the researcher and his/her financial supporter,
involving a <i>quid pro quo</i>, should be condemned.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><br /><br />I am sure your are well aware how certain
academicians with Turkish names are well-feted and admired in North American
institutions that receive funding from Armenian sources. No names need be
given.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><br /><br />Further, academic engagement does
not impart unbridled license to a person to unjustly defame his/her nation; nor
does it insulate that person from criticism.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
<br /></span>So, Professor Baron and Dr. Newhall, before you complain to Turkish
authorities about the harassment of certain Turkish scholars regarding
attending the WATS conferences, I suggest you first mend your house, as it
were, and open these conferences to scholars on both sides of the aisle.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><br /><br />That way you will promote scholarship and
academic freedom, put your foot where your mouth is, and gain respectability.
There is no good substitute for a free exchange of views and information.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><br /><br />I would also suggest, if I may, that you
refrain from using pejorative epithets such as “ultra-nationalist,”
“right-wing,” and “genocide denier” in referring to Turkish intellectuals,
e.g., D r.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>D oğu<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Pe ri n çe k , who do not subscribe to your
version of history. Such language does not sit well with your positions. How
would you, yourself, like to be called “ultraliberal,” “extremist,” “genocide
accuser,” etc?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><br /><br />Yours sincerely,<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><br />Ferruh Demirmen, Ph.D. Houson, Texas</span><b><span style="font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; font-size: 10.0pt;"> </span></b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12.0pt;"></span>
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Harut Sassounian had published several
articles in various Armenian publication outlets early February discussing the
same old theme with minor variations among them.</div>
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The subject is the personal interview
which is claimed to be granted to Aubrey Herbert in 1921 by Talaat Pasha just
before he was assassinated.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>According to
Sassounian, Talaat<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Pasha had agreed with
the <span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;">“</span>Genocide Accusations<span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;">”</span>, etc<span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;">…</span>etc..</div>
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<br /></div>
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For the archive-based researchers, the
references given and commentary outlined in the Sassounian articles regarding
Talaat Pasha are full of contradictions. </div>
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<br /></div>
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Mr. Sadi Dinlenc, an activist on the
subject, had written a rather innocent article criticizing the contradictions
in the Sassounian article which was published on February 9, 2016, in his
California Courier newspaper. Mr. Dinlenc<span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;">’</span>s criticism was<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>based
on the credible Armenian as well as the Western resources and references on the
subject.</div>
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The interesting part of this
reciprocating correspondence is not the Sadi Dinlenc<span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;">’</span>s archival references or Sassounian<span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;">’</span>s select wording he used in his articles.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The affinity of the Turks about the articles
and the propaganda material written in the Western media outlets using select
and specific information about themselves goes back several decades. </div>
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This is not the point.</div>
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The entertaining and interesting part
of the subject starts with the appearance of Sadi Dinlenc<span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;">’</span>s response in the Facebook
pages of the <span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;">“ </span>Armenian
Genocide Resources Center <span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;">“ </span>where
Sassounian was informed that he could respond to Dinlenc article in his own
Facebook pages. Not wishing to waste a chance, Sassounian declared : <span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;"><br /></span></div>
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<span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;">“ </span><i>I usually don</i><i><span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;">’</span>t dignify genocide denialists
with a comment. I did make an exception in the case of Dinlenc and shamed him
for lying about the Armenian Genocide which was acknowledged even by Atat</i><i><span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;">ü</span>rk. </i><i><span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;">“</span></i></blockquote>
<br />
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: "times new roman" , "serif"; font-size: 12.0pt;">Upon reading this response in Sassounian</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: "helvetica" , "sans-serif"; font-size: 12.0pt;">’</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: "times new roman" , "serif"; font-size: 12.0pt;">s
own Facebook page, I decided to get into the picture, by telling him that it is
important for both Turks and the Armenians to learn the truth and that nobody
is after any unfair recognition or moral benefit and did ask him to whom did
Atat</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: "helvetica" , "sans-serif"; font-size: 12.0pt;">ü</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: "times new roman" , "serif"; font-size: 12.0pt;">rk
admit about the genocide, when and where.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>And I kindly expected Sassounian to tell me the source of this
knowledge, concerned that either someone was not telling the Turks the truth or<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>someone was lying to the Armenians on the
same subject.</span><br />
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have read quite a bit about 10 years ago about the research done on the alleged
Emile Hildegrand interview<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: right; margin-left: 1em; text-align: right;"><tbody>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-DWMdHA12awM/Vsyhw0X6shI/AAAAAAAABpk/ClGzqU27-po/s1600/mustafa-kemal-promises.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" height="320" src="https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-DWMdHA12awM/Vsyhw0X6shI/AAAAAAAABpk/ClGzqU27-po/s320/mustafa-kemal-promises.jpg" width="230" /></a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Los Angeles Examiner <br />
1 August 1926</td></tr>
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with Atat</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: "helvetica" , "sans-serif"; font-size: 12.0pt;">ü</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: "times new roman" , "serif"; font-size: 12.0pt;">rk, published in the Los Angeles Examiner. So, I
expected and hoped that Sassounian, who has been writing so strongly in his own
newspaper as well as his own Facebook pages about Talaat Pasha and Atat</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: "helvetica" , "sans-serif"; font-size: 12.0pt;">ü</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: "times new roman" , "serif"; font-size: 12.0pt;">rk,
making impressive statements with comprehensive accusations, frankly, I thought
I would benefit from him.</span><br />
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But, soon, I realized that Sassounian
had a very limited information about the interview that appeared in his
Facebook pages and that he was not even aware of the book written by Prof. Dr.
T<span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;">ü</span>rkkaya Ata<span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;">ö</span>v, containing the in-depth
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When reminded about Ata<span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;">ö</span>v<span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;">’</span>s book, Sassounian claimed that Ata<span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;">ö</span>v, too, was a denialist similar to Sadi Dinlenc and that his
research was comical and suggested that I should not help him gain recognition
by dropping his name around.</div>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Ataöv Research about Emile Hildebrand</td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Ataöv Reserach about Emile Hilderbrand</td></tr>
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T<span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;">ü</span>rkkaya Ata<span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;">ö</span>v
researched in depth the Atat<span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;">ü</span>rk
interview with the Swiss artist and reporter Emile Hildegrand, published on
Aug. 1st, 1926 in Los Angeles Examiner newspaper of the Armenian publisher
Nersessian,<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>He contacted the Swiss
Embassy and corresponded with the Hildegrand family in Switzerland, finding out
that there was in fact no newspaper reporter by the name of Emile Hildegrand
during those years, that there was no departure from Switzerland of someone
with name and finally learned from the Turkish archives<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>that there was no newspaper reporter with that
name visiting Turkey at that time. A non-existent artist and newspaper
reporter, left his non-existent country to travel to a country he never went to
conduct an interview which he never did with Atat<span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;">ü</span>rk whom he never saw and claimed that Atat<span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;">ü</span>rk told him <span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;">“ </span>CUP leaders allowed
mass-killing of Christians <span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;">“ </span>which
Atat<span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;">ü</span>rk never did.<br />
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When all of these details were
reminded, Sassounian made such non-congruous claims as <span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;">“</span>You (me) were not there at the Embassy when Ata<span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;">ö</span>v made the research, and that
Ata<span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;">ö</span>v did not speak the
German language and that I should rely only on large U.S. newspapers and that
if I do not trust big newspapers and believe Ata<span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;">ö</span>v instead, it would render me senseless and illogical.<span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;">”</span></div>
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The answer I delivered to these
strange claims and accusations might have driven Sassounian and types like him
wild.</div>
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Sassounian, not only has not opened
the cover of Ata<span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;">ö</span>v<span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;">’</span>s subject book, he is also
unaware of the common knowledge that in addition to German language, French is
also spoken widely in Switzerland.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Not
only that, Ata<span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;">ö</span>v has
published in his subject book the letters he wrote and received in French
language to and from the Swiss Embassy.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>Equally strange and comical is his demand for believability that I was
not there next to him when Ata<span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;">ö</span>v
was conducting his research.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I was not
next to Einstein when he declared his famous Theory of Relativity or<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I was not under the same apple tree when an
apple fell off the tree branch giving Newton the idea of Law of Gravity. Does
Sassounian know any mathematician who was next to Pythagoras when he found out
the Theory of Pythagoras ?</div>
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His particular advice that I should
trust big American newspapers is really heartbreaking. </div>
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What and how much news does he know
related with Armenians published in the big<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>American papers ?.<br />
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<i><a href="http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2007/09/1961-new-series-innocent-armenians.html" target="_blank">Alternative articles from Major American Newspapers about Armenians<br />http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2007/09/1961-new-series-innocent-armenians.html</a></i></div>
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In all these conversations I conducted
with Sassounian in Facebook pages, the important thing was not whether Talaat
Pasha<span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;">’</span>s Atat<span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;">ü</span>rk claim was true or not. The
importance here was a being methodical researcher. Anyone who is acting as a
role model and informing the public-at-large by writing essays and articles and
giving conferences in the very debatable subject of Armenian genocide claims
must, before anything else, have a sense and obligation of moral
responsibility.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It is a moral
inferiority to claim that Armenian people will have a better and healthy future
based on the information fed by improper methodologies. This is true for any
nation, including the Turks.</div>
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A hundred years ago, killing people
was the way to go in order to gain material or moral victory. Today, it is
killing the minds.</div>
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Here we go Harut Sassounian<span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;">…</span>The biggest American newspaper<span style="mso-hansi-font-family: Helvetica;">… </span></div>
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<i>New York Times, August 04, 1907</i><br />
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Evolution Of The Armenian Hunchakist; Secret Society, Starting in
Caucasus Mountains, Said to Bear Close Resemblance to Mafia or Black
Hand. Crimes Recently Committed in This Country by an Organization
Originally Founded by Patriots. Secret Society in America. The Demand
for Money. Paying Toll to Hunchakist.</i><br />
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THE mild-mannered quiet-spoken Armenian has suddenly been thrust into an
unwelcomed publicity. He forms such a small unit in the racial
patchwork that makes up the population of this big city that his
existence is easily overlooked. . .</i></blockquote>
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<span style="font-size: large;">Everyone is a denialist ! <br />Everyone is a denialist ! </span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">Dear Sassounian !</span></div>
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Full screenshot from Harut Sassounian's Facebook Page!Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4034620263243830383.post-49040009140138234982011-09-18T08:17:00.000-07:002011-09-18T08:17:12.052-07:00The New Booklet from Şükrü Server Aya : A Brief Hopscotch Stroll in The Ottoman History and Economy<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: LEFT;"><a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yJod-EkUuMw/TnYJ8aOrUQI/AAAAAAAABTY/vL9TFQHkLT0/s1600/aya3.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left:1em; margin-right:1em"><img border="0" height="158" width="200" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yJod-EkUuMw/TnYJ8aOrUQI/AAAAAAAABTY/vL9TFQHkLT0/s200/aya3.jpg" /></a></div>Size pictured book , with highlights of history derived from the books ''THE GENOCIDE of TRUTH, THE GENOCIDE of TRUTH CONTINUES BUT FACTS TELL THE REAL STORY and SOYKIRIM TACİRLERİ ve GERÇEKLER'' .<br />
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The answer to my question would be very easy if the creators of this blog, Murat, Seda & Lara, would only try to prove or disprove the so called genocide with only a few visual aids and some baseless documents. However this blog they prepared indeed had a very different nature. The sort of significant effort and work to prepare such a blog was making it difficult for me to answer how enthusiastically we should be celebrating the 6th anniversary of this blog. Under normal circumstances, having reached the 6th year of this blog would be very pleasing. However this blog: <br />
not only proved that the statements that were allegedly indicated belonging to Hitler & Mustafa Kemal were indeed fake or demonstrated that the visual aids used by the proponents of the so called genocide were indeed forgeries, but also was successful in revealing reports like Warangian or Niles-Sutherland Reports or books like Patriotism Perverted and many historical newspaper archives and many other comments and thoughts.<br />
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Should all these hundreds of documents, books or archival materials that were brought together with such great effort be only published in this blog? Should the function of this blog be this, to be the only source for many people to have access to these many documents and historical information?<br />
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The time between years 1915 and 2005 (when this blog was founded) is 90 years. All these years, all those historcial newspaper archives, historical information and documents or reports were always there. Why haven’t the Zorian Institute publish for instance Warangian Report during all those years? Why aren’t the Clark University or Universities of Minnesota or California publishing Niles-Sutherland Report? Why can’t CNN, MSNBC, ABC or BBC broadcast a documentary film about the alleged statements of Hitler? Or why can’t the Turkish History Institution gather the historical newpaper archives in US and publish them?<br />
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According to the criteria of the Age of Enlightenment which had taken us out of the Dark Ages and led us to science and justice, all these topics should have been the primary subject-matter of the scientific institutions and not of some internet blog writers. If today the data published by this blog which provides all information in detail with even archival numbers can not be challenged by any historians or can not be proven to be fake or forgery, aren’t we then having a very serious ethical problem and not just for Armenians or Turks but for the whole wide world? The meaning of the term ETOCIDE is probably defined by this question. <br />
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Is only some part of the world population being threatened by the fact that politicians, populists and some lazy and selfish parties violate the concepts of enlightenment and modernism like justice, objectivity and peace?<br />
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I am asking very serious questions about the work of Murat, Seda & Lara in honour of the 6th anniversary of this blog. I am reminding of those who constantly babble about love, peace and justice that only the ones who are well informed in an objective fashion can be peaceful, just and affectionate. <br />
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Murat, Lara & Seda, you are one of a kind and I am so glad we have you...<br />
Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4034620263243830383.post-55503523698343339922011-06-26T07:00:00.000-07:002011-08-19T17:09:53.620-07:00Forging the past: Oxford University Press and the 'Armenian Question'Source: <a href="http://www.eurasiacritic.com/articles/forging-past-oup-and-armenian-question">Eurasia-Critic</a><br />
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In 2005 Oxford University Press published Donald Bloxham's The Great Game of Genocide. Imperialism, Nationalism and the Destruction of the Ottoman Armenians. The first hardback edition was followed by a paperback version in 2007. The book is more of a prosecutor's brief than a balanced study of the fate of the Ottoman Armenians during the First World War, but forgery and not balance is the point of this article.<br />
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The book includes nine photographs printed on glossy paper. Eight of the photographs are credited. One is not. It shows a man in an unbuttoned jacket and tie standing in front of a circle of ragged children and one apparent adult with something in his hand. The caption reads: 'A Turkish official taunting starving Armenians with bread'.<br />
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Even a cursory glance is enough to show there is something wrong with this photo. One side of the man's jacket is darker than the other. A ragged line clearly runs between the two halves. The wall in the background abruptly disappears into a blank white space behind the standing man. A child lying on the ground is raising an emaciated arm. If stretched out to its full length it would fall below his knees. His scarcely visible other hand and wrist seem quite plump by comparison. The little boy sitting to the right of the standing man seems to be clutching something in his hand but it is impossible to tell what it might be.<br />
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Suspicions aroused, the photograph is taken to a photographic analyst in Ankara. He is not told what the subject matter of the photograph is supposed to be. He subjects the photo to a 2400-fold pixel magnification. The pixels come up like little crosses. It takes him ten minutes to conclude that this is not a 'photograph' at all but a photographic soup, composed of bits and pieces taken from other photographs.<br />
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The technical giveaway is the pixels. Were the photograph genuine they would have to be homogeneous but they are not. They are leaning in various different directions. Otherwise the analyst concludes that the man's right arm does not belong to the body. It has come from somewhere else. His right leg seems to have disappeared altogether. The boy sitting on the ground on the man's right is not clutching anything at all. The forger simply did not take enough care when cutting the paper around the fingers in the photograph from which his figure was taken.<br />
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The man in the caption obviously cannot be a 'Turkish official' as there was no Turkey at the time the photo was apparently taken (i.e. during or shortly after the First World War). A similar reference to 'Turkish soldiers' appears in the caption of one of the other photographs.<br />
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Having finally been told what the photograph of the standing man is supposed to be, the analyst points out the obvious, that no Ottoman memur or civil servant would be dressed in an unbuttoned jacket over a shirt with a collar and tie. He would be wearing a collarless shirt buttoned up to the neck. Almost certainly (definitely for a photograph) he would have a fez on his head, and it is hardly likely that an Ottoman memur would pose for such a photograph anyway.<br />
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Furthermore, given the cumbersome equipment photographers had to carry around with them early in the 20th century, even if the photographer arrived on the scene just as this 'Turkish official' was tormenting starving children with a piece of bread he could not have taken the photograph unless the standing man and the starving children agreed to hold their poses or to reenact the tableau when he was ready.<br />
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Oxford University Press had already been informed (by the writer of this article) that the 'photograph' was a forgery when Servet Hassan, the General Coordinator of the Federation of Turkish Associations in the UK followed up with a complaint in October. Responding to her protest, in an e-mail sent on October 19, Christopher Wheeler, OUP's history publisher, conceded that that the 'photograph' was a forgery. 'Existing stock' of the book had been destroyed but the 'photograph' had been retained in a new printing with the following caption:<br />
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'This photograph purports to be an Ottoman [sic.] official taunting starving Armenians with bread. It is a fake, combining elements of two (or more) separate photographs: a demonstration were one needed of the propaganda stakes on both sides of the genocide issue with evidence of all sorts manipulated for latterday political purposes. The photograph was also included when the book was first published but then was believed to be genuine. It had previously been used in Gérard Chaliand and Yves Ternon's Le Genocide des Arméniens (1980), which shows that prior use is no substitute for rigorous investigation of a picture's provenance - and in the absence of clear provenance, for a minutely detailed examination of the picture itself. It is a cautionary tale for historians, many of whom are better trained in testing and using written sources than in evaluating photographic evidence. The publishers and author are grateful to have had the forgery drawn to their attention'.<br />
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In a follow-up letter written on November Mr Wheeler, describing the forgery as a 'composite photograph', said OUP regarded republication of the 'photograph' with a fresh caption as 'a more effective rejoinder to the forger than silently dropping his or her photograph from the book'. Although the unknown provenance of the 'photograph' could have created suspicions, 'it is by no means uncommon for photographs from this period to lack one. And while the forgery is no masterpiece, without magnification it does not deceive the naked eye. These are not excuses for having been 'taken in' but they are mitigation'. The letter ends with a reference to forgeries going back to the Donation of Constantine and the need for historians and publishers to be vigilant. There is no mention of what could and should be done about copies of the book already sold, particularly those on the shelves of libraries around the world.<br />
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The caption in the new printing slides over all the important issues. Of course, there is propaganda on 'both sides', but there is nothing on the Turkish 'side' (as far as this writer is aware) to compare with the textual and photographic forgeries manufactured on the Armenian 'side'. It is very difficult to take at face value the statement that when the book was first published the photograph 'was believed to be genuine'. Nine photographs were published. Eight were properly sourced and one was not sourced at all, not even to the Chaliand and Ternon book. This suggests that someone must have had doubts about the authenticity of this photograph (which until 2008 at least was displayed prominently in the Museum of the Armenian Genocide in Yerevan. It can also be found online in the US Library of Congress - again without a source). Over and above all of this, it does not take a 'minutely detailed examination' or magnification to see that this 'photograph' is most probably and almost certainly a fake. OUP is usually meticulous in its sourcing. In his message to Servet Hassan on October 19 Mr Wheeler admits that there was no 'clear provenance' for the photograph. This implies that someone must have had misgivings. So why did the book's editors allow this fake to go to press?<br />
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Forgeries have been part of the 'Armenian question' since the 1920s, produced with the intention of proving what could not otherwise be proved. The most notorious of them is the Andonian papers, a collection of 'telegrams' and other 'documents' purporting to show that the CUP government (and especially Talat Paşa) deliberately set out to exterminate the Armenians. These were shown to be forgeries more than 20 years ago but still surface from time to time, most notably in the writings of the journalist Robert Fisk.<br />
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Another 'document', appearing during the British occupation of Istanbul, is the 'ten point plan', supposedly drawn up by the CUP government sometime late in 1914 or early in 1915, according to which all male Armenians under 50 were to be exterminated, with girls and women converted to Islam.<br />
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The 'plan' was handed to the British by an Ottoman functionary. Then looking for evidence against the prisoners they were holding in Malta, the British did not make use of it. Taner Akcam, a Turk who has adopted the Armenian version of history in all its essential details, utilises the plan in the text of his own tendentious book 1, observing only in a footnote that the British were 'skeptical' of its authenticity. Bloxham himself has described the 'plan' as 'dubious at best and probably a fake'. 2 In fact, the 'plan' certainly is a fake.<br />
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In short, no serious historian could possibly take this plan as gospel truth, but this is exactly what Ben Kiernan, an Australian who is now Professor of Genocide Studies at Yale University, does in his recent publication Blood and Soil. A World History of Genocide and Extermination from Sparta to Darfur (Yale University Press, 2007). The 'plan' is the platform for his brief examination of the fate of the Ottoman Armenians and the accusations he makes that the Ottoman government drew up a plan to exterminate them.<br />
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What is extraordinary here is that it would have taken no more than a cursory check to establish that this 'plan' is suspect at least, is almost certainly a fake and is worthy of a footnote at most. Did no one at Yale University Press think of asking Ben Kiernan to come up with a better source than his only source for this accusation, Vahakn Dadrian, a committed Armenian national historian and propagandist for the Armenian cause?<br />
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It is often said that there are none so blind as those who will not see. Everyone knows what happened to the Armenians, everyone has the right to say whatever they want except the Turks. They are kept out of this debate altogether. Barack Obama, members of the US Congress, members of European parliaments and parliaments elsewhere, even of the South Australian parliament, which recently passed a genocide resolution, apparently know more of Turkish and Ottoman history than the Turks do. There could hardly be a clearer example of neo-Orientalism. It would be far too much to say that the members of these parliaments know little of late Ottoman history. It would only be accurate to say that they know next to nothing of Ottoman history apart from what they have been spoon-fed by lobbyists or have read in books such as those written by Ben Kiernan, Taner Akçam or Donald Bloxham. Very few books or articles are allowed into the western cultural mainstream as a counter-narrative. The Armenian question as it has been written into the western narrative has long since passed from history into theology. It has been sacralized and history, in this instance the need to deconstruct this issue on the basis of all the known 'facts' and not just some of them, suffers as a result. This, it seems, is how forgeries such as those described in this article get into print.<br />
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<i>1 Taner Akcam A Shameful Act. The Armenian Genocide and the Question of Turkish Responsibility (London: Constable and Robinson, 2007).<br />
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2 History Today, July 2005, issue 7, p. 68, Bloxham's reply to a letter to the editor following the publication of his article 'Rethinking the Armenian Genocide' in the June, 2005, issue. I wish to thank Erman Şahin for drawing this letter to my attention.<br />
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*Prof Jeremy Salt teaches in the Department of Political Science at Bilkent University Ankara. He is the author of Imperialism, Evangelism and the Ottoman Armenians 1878-1896 (London: Frank Cass, 1993) and The Unmaking of the Middle East. A History of Western Disorder in Arab Lands (Berkeley: University of California Press, 2008).<br />
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<blockquote>OtherLinks: <a href="http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2010/01/2999-forging-past-oup-and-armenian.html"><b>Armenian Resource Center</b>-Yet Another Armenian Forgery </a><br />
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<a href="http://angelsof1915.blogspot.com/2009/04/fake-illustrations-used-in-armenian.html">Other Armenian Genocide Photo Fakery<br />
http://angelsof1915.blogspot.com/2009/04/fake-illustrations-used-in-armenian.html</a>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4034620263243830383.post-84085906058910946892011-06-20T07:42:00.000-07:002011-06-20T09:59:36.459-07:00BAHRAIN INDEPENDENT : I Smell A Fisk!<div style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.bahrainindependent.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/fisk.jpg"><img alt="robert fisk" class="size-medium wp-image-1955 aligncenter" height="300" src="http://www.bahrainindependent.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/fisk-300x300.jpg" width="300" /></a></div><br />
<div style="text-align: center;">“<i>Beware, for some liars tell the truth <br />
- Ancient Arab Proverb -</i>”</div><br />
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After reading a number of articles dedicated to discrediting a renowned investigative journalist and leading international corespondent otherwise known as Robert Fisk, I took it upon myself to familiarise myself with this icon of journalism and the focus of heated controversy and much debate. Mr. Fisk’s credentials are well-nigh second to none, in fact I regularly came across references to him as “probably the best International Correspondent in the world…”, attributed mainly to his colossal experience on the frontline and his satirical skill and firebrand style of writing…In fact so hard pressed was I to find even the faintest hint of criticism that I started to believe that surely Mr. Fisk was an anomaly amongst his peers, an outstanding and truly marvellous example of literary perfection and infallible integrity to be put on the highest of pedestals for the entire journalistic order to behold…<br />
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That was before, of course, I googled “Robert Fisk Liar”…<br />
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Now it is vital that I point out before continuing any further (mainly to protect my Heinie from any potential litigation), that this post is not intended to question whether or not our Bob has a tendency to exaggerate, disinform, fabricate, falsify, employ propaganda or lie in his rather sensational and over-excited feature articles. Rather, I’m simply reporting a reoccurring accusation which seems to arise time and time again from individuals and organisations representing various extremes of the political and social spectrum, a rather curios fact given that you would expect at least some people to take his word for granted given his glamourous and lengthy resume. It is also rather distressing to read a number of further accusations made by his own colleagues illustrating in detail his tendency to “jazz-up” his material to dramatic effect, one source in particular recounting an episode where he likened three neglected tanks in Iraq and a few resting soldiers to an impending military confrontation, See: <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.australian/browse_thread/thread/63b90df9b509c3ce">Robert Frisk called a liar by peers </a>. In fact, so consistent is Mr. Fisk in his profound use of sensationalism at the most epic proportions to fulfil his suspicious and rather inconsistent agenda that his peers coined a rather fitting phrase to describe this chronic disposition, See: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisking">Fisking</a>.<br />
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We would have been forgiven for thinking that the eponymous Mr. Fisk, the only man to interview Osama Bin Laden three times and a resident of the Middle-East for over 30 years, was the best situated candidate to effectively cover the “Arab Spring” movement and it’s proxies given his vast experience and knowledge of the region. We would also have been forgiven for assuming that Mr. Fisk would probably be the least likely of all potential candidates to have any specific bias or mistakenly accept pro-governement or opposition propaganda as fact…sadly, our man of literary talent has proven us wrong on both counts.<br />
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Bob Fisk, during his tenor covering various regional conflicts, has managed to get it very wrong on a number of occasions, one good example being his insistence that their was never any mistrust or potential threat of violence between the Sunni and Shia community in Iraq after Saddam and that they would all get along like “friends”, See:<a href="http://blogs.salon.com/0001561/2004/03/05.html"> Robert Fisk is a bloody liar!</a>. Another favourite example would be his scathing attack on president George Bush for supposedly accepting Turkey’s denial of an Armenian genocide, when in-fact what Mr. Bush was trying to explain was given the turbulence in the Middle East it wasn’t the time to antagonize regional allies, see: <a href="http://www.nelsonguirado.com/index.php/asymmetric/2007/11/10/robert_fisk_is_a_liar_president_bush_den">Robert Fisk is a liar</a>: President Bush denies holocaust A further instance involved an overly sympathetic article published on his 2001 experience in Afghanistan after being attacked by a mob of locals, many of whom had lost loved ones in U.S. bombing raids and drone attacks and saw Fisk, some would argue quite rightly, as scapegoat, see: <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1699708.stm">UK journalist beaten by Afghan mob </a>.<br />
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Finally the most damning and relevant example of Robert Fisk’s attempt at using self-generated propaganda to satisfy his personal agenda would have to be during his coverage of the Iraq war and the subsequent waves of Kurdish refugees escaping the Saddam regime and streaming into the border area between Iran and Turkey. With Iran unwilling to deal with the Kurds and the international community turning a blind-eye, the Turks accepted responsibility for hosting these political refugees and deployed their army to erect various refugee camps to accommodate this huge influx of people and provide security for them on the border region. With pen at the ready and for reasons unbeknownst to those involved, along come Mr. Fisk who proceeded to launch a merciless literary attack on the Turkish army and their treatment of the Kurds, in one instance accusing soldiers of “stealing blankets from the refugees which they sold for a profit”. After much public slander and growing frustration with the Western Allies who ignored the growing humanitarian crisis , Turkey apprehended Mr. Fisk as part an investigation into the validity of his accusations, which, after being proven false, resulted in him being unceremoniously asked to leave Turkey and being labeled by the Turkish Government a “liar” and a “provocateur”.<br />
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“That is how Robert Fisk’s animosity towards Turkey and Turks began, and how it finally took a hold of him. He was, of course, quickly recruited by the ASALA (Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia) represented in the U.K. by Lord Eric Reginald Avebury (Yes the same Lord Avebury who also represents the Bahrain Centre for Human Rights in London), to work for them and profit by disseminating their public message and propaganda. Ever since his expulsion from Turkey, Robert Fisk seems to subscribe to the philosophy that it is “better to lie for the Armenians, than not to tell the truth about the Turks,” See: <a href="http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2005/07/230-robert-fisk-pathological-liar-is.html">Robert Fisk, A pathological liar?</a><br />
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<div class="wp-caption-text">Lord Avebury with Bahraini Human Rights Extremist Chehabi</div></div><br />
A fitting expansion on Mr. Fisk’s philosophy illustrated in a most relevant quote:<br />
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“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”<br />
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– Dr. Paul Joseph Goebbels<br />
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In conclusion and in the spirit of truth and reconciliation, I invite Mr. Fisk to openly confess his failure to address the situation in Bahrain with an objective eye and would remind him that his actions have cost our country and the general, peace-loving public dearly in satisfying his rather devious and avaricious agenda…<br />
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I still smell a Fisk!<br />
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By Ali F Alzayani<br />
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<div style="color: blue;">Related posts at Bahrain Independent</div><br />
1) <a href="http://www.bahrainindependent.com/2011/06/14/robert-fisk-on-bahrain-integrity-for-sale/">Robert Fisk on Bahrain: Integrity for Sale</a><br />
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2) <a href="http://www.bahrainindependent.com/2011/06/14/mr-fisk-were-we-truly-invaded-as-you-say-lets-see/">Mr. Fisk, were we truly “invaded” as you say? Let’s see…</a><br />
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3) <a href="http://www.bahrainindependent.com/2011/06/14/seriously-mr-fisk/">Seriously Mr. Fisk? </a><br />
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Related Posts At Armenian Resource Center Blog<br />
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1) <a href="http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2005/07/230-robert-fisk-pathological-liar-is.html">Robert Fisk, A Pathological Liar? - Is The Incorrigible Armenian Bootlicker At It Again?</a><br />
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2) <a href="http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2010/12/3187-robert-fisk-compelled-to-lie-for.html">Video: Robert Fisk: COMPELLED TO LIE (for Armenians)</a><br />
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3) <a href="http://www.blogger.com/Armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2007/04/1593-ataturks-1926-interview-proven-as.html">Armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2007/04/1593-ataturks-1926-interview-proven-as.html</a><br />
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4) <a href="http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2005/07/336-andonian-documents-attributed-to.html">Armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2005/07/336-andonian-documents-attributed-to.html</a><br />
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5) <a href="http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2005/07/5-aram-andonian-and-talat-pasha.html">Armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2005/07/5-aram-andonian-and-talat-pasha.html</a><br />
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6) <a href="http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2007/09/1950-robert-fisk-and-armenian-question.html">Armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2007/09/1950-robert-fisk-and-armenian-question.html</a><br />
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Following the publication of the book named ‘Talat Pasha Evrak-ı Metrukesi (Documents Left Behind by Talat Pasha) by Murat Bardakçı in 2008, there were many interpretations of the book as well as many extreme meanings attributed to it both in Turkey and in west in the name of historiography.<br />
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Many comments were fyling around some of which were, <br />
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‘Denied Deir-El-Zor Massacres’ by Sarafian;<br />
Claim of Hilmar Kaiser about his ‘Death Record’ being a slap in the faces of Turkish historians (Sabrina Tavernise NYT March 8, 2009 - Nearly a Million Genocide Victims, Covered in a Cloak of Amnesia);<br />
Taner Akçam finding the number of the deported low;<br />
Yusuf Halaçoğlu finding the number of the deported high;<br />
Fuat Dündar announcing the document to be the most important of all;<br />
Kemal Çiçek finding the document worthless. <br />
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While this theatrical phenomenon of subjective historiography was going on in March 2009, I managed to publish in choronological order the offical documents and statistics gathered from US-Armenian and European sources about the relocations of Ottoman Armenians until end of 1920 (until when the Turkish-Armenian War continued).<br />
<blockquote>Link : <a href="http://angelsof1915.blogspot.com/2009/03/armenian-refugees-movements-and.html">Armenian Refugees Movements & Genocide Claims</a></blockquote><br />
The ‘Death Record’ claimed to be a slap in the faces of Turkish historians by Hilmar Kaiser must have been a slap in his on face after the documents I published, not to mention the fact that nothing serious was heard about the documents of Talat Pasha from that side.<br />
<blockquote><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/09/world/europe/09turkey.html?scp=2&sq=Hilmar%20Kaiser&st=cse">By SABRINA TAVERNISE Published: March 8, 2009 NYT </a></blockquote><br />
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Not being contented with the documents I published, we also issued the official records of League of Nations about the aid activities for Armenian Refugees.<br />
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However, Mr. Ara Sarafian, chairman of Gomidas Institute most probably was not very pleased with the outcome since he attempted to relate miraculously the ‘Deported Armenian’ records in the documents of Talat Pasha with the telegraphs of 1917, with the dream of coming up with a miracle result for the relocation. <br />
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Let me remind all of you who express their opinions based on comments by Sarafian of some points one more time:<br />
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<b>1)</b> It is very clear that the document presenting the general condition of Armenians after the relocation and attributed to Talat Pasha is used to try to give an image as if it is representing truths recently surfaced (that were being hid on purpose before) although a copy of the very same document with the same hand-writing is with the Attache archives and the telegraphs of 1917 that are referenced by Sarafian are in the Ottoman archives. The aim becomes evident when we hear the claims that the document had been prepared specially for Talat Pasha in order for him to be able to control the number of survivors and to mask the process as a security measure. Unfortunately when you do a simple math on 1914 population cencus figures, figures on the telegraphs of 1917 and numbers in Attache archives, you get the same result with the document attributed to Talat Pasha, all of these documents being readily available in the archives for many years. Also in the history journal issued by NTV, there is a document published by Derya Tulga dated November 2nd, 1922 and having a stamp on it as ‘true copy’ presenting the number of Armenians relocated as 924,158. The document published by Bardakçı about Talat Pasha is neither a secret nor something specially prepared for him. <br />
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<b>2)</b> In addition the expressions of Sarafian of ‘masking this process as a security measure’ and ‘his report was not meant for public disclosure and may well have been destroyed were it not for Talat’s untimely death in 1921’ are not appropriate and hereby I remind Sarafian of the official document prepared by American Ambassador Jackson dated February 3rd, 1916 about the Armenian population in Iraq and Syria. Someone who was in the intention of exterminating Armenians secretly would certainly not get Armenians counted by the American Ambassador with the presence of Armenian reverends. <br />
<blockquote><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-lgtp9WEoqWM/Te9g62BiQuI/AAAAAAAABFw/opeI6FbxLqw/s1600/US%2BArchives%2BState%2BDepartment%2BRecord%2BGroup%2B59%252C%2B867.48-271.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" height="291" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-lgtp9WEoqWM/Te9g62BiQuI/AAAAAAAABFw/opeI6FbxLqw/s400/US%2BArchives%2BState%2BDepartment%2BRecord%2BGroup%2B59%252C%2B867.48-271.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><i><b><span style="font-size: x-small;">[ US Archives State Department Record Group 59, 867.48/271 by Ara Sarafyan, United States Official Documents on the Armenian Genocide, Vol II, s. 112-113 ]</span></b></i></blockquote><br />
<b>3)</b> Another remarkable comment by Sarafian is ‘Consequently, the eastern provinces of Erzerum, Bitlis, Van, Diyarbekir, Trebizond, Elazig and Janik were not included in the survey because they had been ordered to clear out their Armenian populations in the initial stages of deportations’. Sarafian went too far by further deepening his claim with the remark of ‘Talat knew that many Armenians had managed to escape from the Ottoman Empire, such as those who resisted Ottoman forces in Van in April 1915, as well as those who managed to flee across the Russian border in 1915-16. The number of people who escaped was probably around 150,000 and their ultimate survival was by no means clear. Thousands subsequently perished from privation and disease’. Sarafian did not even have to make any effort to see that a document belonging Lord Major Found proved that the number of the fleeing ones was 250,000 alone in 1915 and that Armenians were not only fleeing from Van but other provinces too.In addition to this, the number of the fleeing ones in the following years to Caucasia, Southern Russia and Iran is no less than 500,000.<br />
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<b>4)</b> As a result Sarafian claims that 900,000 Armenians had been systemically terminated by basing his claim also on telegraphs of 1917. In response to this Fuat Dündar claims that since the document attributed to Talat Pasha does not include the number of Armenians in general assembly areas like Deir-El-Zor or Mosul but only includes the ones counted in the cities, there is no way that the claim of Sarafian about the number of Armenains who died can be true. Either way, it is not possible to form a claim based on the document attributed to Talat Pasha or on the telegraphs of 1917. However if Sarafian is in the intention of attaching to his claim for life, then he has to come up with other official and historical documents. He can start by checking the official documents from American archives proving that the number of survivors in Ottoman borders in 1921 is 624,900. He can then also take a look at the documents presented to the League of Nations if he wishes. He can even present the documents.I included in my article headed ‘Armenian Refugees Movement and Genocide Claims’ to world’s public opinion before the article becomes a slap in the face to Sabrina Tavernise. None of these documents are from Turkish arhives, they are all official documents and they all include historical information and dates. <br />
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<b>The document in Talat’s archive brings forth the following:</b><br />
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<blockquote>* The document does not include either dates or a general outcome based on calculations and therefore does not have unique importance alone in its current form. <br />
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* It becomes an extra useful item for calculation following the presentation of Armenian Refugee numbers from the archives of League of Nations in years following WW1. <br />
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* It is useful in the sense that it pulls down the baseless claim of Armenian Patriarchate about the Armenian population in the Ottoman Empire before 1914 of 2 million back to its real levels of 1.5 million.<br />
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* What has been said and commented about the document produce more efficient results than what is included in the document itself. <br />
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Years 1914 to 1921 form an important period today in world history as far as war and political history are concerned. Photos of this period as well as declarations by several politicians and statesman are scrutinized while also statements and clothings of civilians and military forces are investigated. These historical materials are then shelved all together because they are enough to satisfy our visual as well as intellectual memory.<br />
However you can not do the same for the Asia Minor history for the same period although there are many documents / photographs in relation to the history of this region. This is a direct result of inconsistencies between the archival documents of the British & French or US & Russians and the very few Armenian archives that you can hardly find do not match any archives at all. When it comes to the Ottoman archives, you face another challenge here since these archives have cuts starting from 1918 because of the British hegemony. I emphasize the cuts to the archives because it is the British Goverment that got the propaganda offices write Blue Book and it is the same British goverment that got 145 people from the leader staff of Committee of Union & Progress arrested in 1919 based on ‘punishment of war crimes’ legalized by the Treaty of Sevres. However these people had to be released in 1921 because of ‘lack of evidence’.<br />
<blockquote>The Letter send by Craigie,The British Ambassador Washington to Lord Curzon: July 13th,1921<br />
'' <b>I'm sorry to say that nothing to be used against the Turks prosecuted in Malta as proof could be found</b> '' <br />
Foreign Office Archives F.O. 371/6504/E. 8519<br />
</blockquote><blockquote>The Letter send by The British Attorney Generalship in Malta to British Foreign Office: July 29th,1921<br />
'' <b>No proof against Turks prosecuted has been found</b> ''<br />
Foreign Office Archives F.O. 371/6504/E. 8745<br />
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All this nonsense point out the ‘Armenian Genocide’ claim as an index of ‘political rubbish’ that noone cares about as far as ‘historical’ and ‘legal’ facts are concerned. The reason why I am writing this article is not to point out this irony where there is complete dissimilarity with the ‘European Enlightenment’ though.<br />
No. The point that I focus on here is the ‘Kurdish Nationalism’ template that the ‘genocide propaganda’ is trying to create as a political act and an expression and the ‘Kurdish people that had been deceived in 1915’. <br />
The target of this template is not obviously the West public opinion or Turkish public opinion. The target is personally the Kurdish public opinion in Turkey. That is why this template starts to look quite tragicomical to anyone who starts to dig into the matter.<br />
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It is a wonder how the vision of ‘Barbarian Kurds’ formed during the trial period of Musa Bey especially observed by foreign embassadors carrying this into the West media turned into ‘Deceived Kurds’ after 120 years when there are several documents proving otherwise. Moreover the charges against Kurdish Musa Bey in relation to the raping of the daughter (Gülizar) of an Armenian priest from Muş were dropped but he was exiled nonetheless. <br />
The number of accusations by Armenians about the ‘Kurdish Barbarism’ increased incrementally in the following years. During these years the French and the British media were highly covering propaganda about the ‘Innocent & Defenseless Armenians rebelling against Kurds & Turks’ whereas the US media which was still under politically an objective goverment was covering stories having just the opposite information about the incidents of East.<br />
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<a href="http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2010/04/3051-armenian-bands-formed-to-attack.html">"Armenian Bands Formed To Attack & Kill Turks or Kurds" NY Times 18 Jan 1894</a><br />
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<a href="http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2008/10/2626-sassoun-massacreproof-of-assertion.html">"Sassoun Massacre:Proof Of Assertion that Armenian Revolutionists Caused It" NewYorkTimes Aug 23, 1895</a><br />
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<a href="http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2005/07/324-armenians-insergent-bands-attack.html">Armenian Insurgent Bands Attack Kurds Near Erzeroum, Daily Gazette, 17 Nov 1899</a><br />
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The most meaningful cover among all these was the one related to the ‘Armenian Rebel’ <b>in Diyarbakır in 1895</b> that was published in NY Times. The headline of the cover was ‘The Armenian Reports Presented to Washington are Unfounded’. The embassy authorities investigation to the matter pointed out the fact that the claims about ‘atrocities against Armenians’ in Diyarbakır were groundless and some revolationary Armenians together with some collaborator Kurds were provoked and abused in the process. <br />
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<b>Have you ever seen any articles like this one being published in today’s European – American media or in any scientific investigations?<br />
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It was reported by German Embassador Wangenheim that thousands of Kurds were massacred by Armenians around the city center of Van during WW1 right before the city was invaded by Russians and Armenians.<br />
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'' <b>Armenians in the city of Van started rioting and started to attack Muslim villages and the castle. The Turkish headquarters in the castle had lost 300 soldiers and as a result of the street combats for days, the rebels took over the city. Russia occupied the city on 17th May, 1915. Armenians sided with Russia afterwards and started to massacre Muslims. Approximately 80.000 Muslims around Bitlis started to flee.</b> '' [Wangenheim,Deutschisches und Armenien 1914-1918,Postdam 1919 p.65]<br />
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The ethnical cleansing by Armenians of Muslims was officially documented in 1915 report of General Bolhovitinov in the period of the Czardom Russia<br />
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'' A<b>rmenian Volunteer regiment motivated by ethnic hatred vicously massacred Ottoman Muslims</b> ''<br />
Report of Czarish Russian Brigadier General Leonid Bolhovitinov - 1915<br />
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Russian Military History Archives <br />
RGVIA fond 2100,list1,folder557,page 303-307<br />
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Similar detections were made by Communist Armenians in 1920s and 30s. <br />
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<blockquote><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FZDB0URKV7o/TcLMa7baryI/AAAAAAAABEA/-u2uhrv-kDY/s1600/Boryan.png" imageanchor="1" style="clear:left; float:left;margin-right:1em; margin-bottom:1em"><img border="0" height="100" width="75" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FZDB0URKV7o/TcLMa7baryI/AAAAAAAABEA/-u2uhrv-kDY/s200/Boryan.png" /></a></div>" <b>Politics followed by Dashnaks is;<br />
occupying neighbor nations lands with <br />
the help of west and cleansing these <br />
lands from Turks and Kurds to create <br />
a aerial pure Armenian nation</b> "<br />
Bagrat Artemovitch Boryan<br />
Armenia - International Diplomacy and the Soviet Union<br />
State Publishing House<br />
Moskva - Leningrad 1928<br />
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However why would Armenians bother to kill Turks and Kurds when with the support and promise of the Entente States they would seperate 6 cities in East and Southeast Anatolia (Diyarbakır, Erzurum, Van, Elazığ, Bitlis, Sivas) from the Ottoman Empire? We find the answer to this romantic question in population statistics. At the beginning of 19th century the population of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire was almost 1/3 less than the total population of Turks and Kurds according to the British historian H.F.B. Lynch and the French historian Cuinet. Unfortunately it was not possible to found the Great Armenian State that they long hoped for with this population structure. <br />
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The destruction that the Muslim population in East Anatolia escaped in 1915 is better understood when the Azeri population in Transcaucasia today is investigated (following the Türkmençay Treaty in 1828). According to the population statistics provided by Lynch, half of the Armenia population at the beginning of 20th century was formed by Azeris and the aftermath of them is an unknown today. <br />
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Right here we understand what the statement of ‘Deceived Kurds’ politically mean and the tragic situation of the European Enlightenment that I mentioned at the beginning of may article come out.<br />
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Not any of the missionaries in East and Southeast Anatolia, first and foremost the ones in Van cared to mention about the massacres carried out on Turks and Kurds. Even if there was anyone who had mentioned about these, that was never allowed to surface. Ofcoure we need to assess the European and American Christian Missionaries according to the ‘most sacred’ existence philosophy that they believed in and not according to the European Enlightenment Philosophy.<br />
I leave it to their conscience if there is any, which legitimizes ‘Christian Fanaticism’ for imperialist agenda, to assess this ( I think I am a daydreamer because I am actually expecting an onthological payoff).<br />
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<blockquote>1914-1921 yılları dünya tarihi açısından bugün artık savaş ve politika tarihinin sayfalarında yer alan bir olgudur. Fotoğraflarına bakılır, politikacı ve devlet adamlarının açıklamaları okunur, o yıllarda yaşayan sivil ve askerlerin ifade ve kıyafetleri izlenir. Sonra tekrar bütün bu tarihi materyalleri aldığınız rafa geri koyarsınız. Zihinsel ve görsel hafızanız tatmin olmuştur.<br />
Aynı tarih dilimleri arasındaki Ön Asya Tarihi için ise ortada yüksek sayıda belge-fotoğraf olmasına rağmen bütün bu belgeleri aynı düzenle bir rafa kaldıramazsınız. Çünkü İngiliz Belgeleri Fransızların ki ile, Amerikalıların ki Ruslarla uyuşmaz. Zorlukla bulabildiğiniz birkaç Ermeni belgesi ise hiç kimseninkiyle uyuşmaz. Osmanlı belgeleri ise 1918 den sonra İngiliz Hegemonyası’nda ciddi bir kesintiye uğradığı için bu belgeleride bir yere koyamazsınız. Kesintiye uğramıştır diyorum çünkü propaganda ofislerine Mavi Kitap’ı yazdıran İngiliz Hükümeti 1919 da İttihat Ve Terakki partisinin lider kadrosundan 145 kişi, Sevr Antlaşması’nda da yasallaştırılan ‘’savaş suçlarının cezalandırılması’’ maddesine istinaden tutuklamış daha sonra da 1921 yılında ‘’Delil Yetersizliği’’ salıvermiştir.<br />
Bütün bu saçmalıklar ‘’Ermeni Soykırımı’’ iddiasını ‘’Tarihsel’’ ve ‘’Hukuksal’’ olarak kimsenin umursamadığı ‘’politik zırvalar ‘’ dizini olarak bize sırıtıyor. Hayır. Bu yazıyı yazma nedenim Avrupa Aydınlanması ile taban tabana zıt olan bu ‘’sırıtışın’’ ironisi değil.<br />
Hayır. Çünkü odaklandığım nokta ‘’soykırım propagandası’’nın politik bir söylem ve eylem haline getirmeye çalıştığı ‘’Kürt Milliyetçiliği ‘’ ve ‘’1915’te kandırılmış Kürtler’’ şablonu.<br />
Bu şablonun hedefi tabi ki Batı kamuoyu ya da Türk Kamuoyu değil. Bizzat Türkiye’de ki Kürt kamuoyuna yönelik. Zaten bu şablonu biraz kitap karıştıran herkes için trajıkomik hale getiren de bu.<br />
Çünkü yabancı elçilik görevlilerin gözetiminde gerçekleştirilen Musa Bey’in yargılamasıyla batı basınına taşınan ‘’Barbar Kürtler’’ vizyonu bunca belge varken nasıl olmuşta aradan 120 yıl geçtikten sonra ‘’Kandırılmış Kürtler’’ hikayesine dönüşüvermiştir? Kaldı ki Kürt Musa Bey , Muş’lu Ermeni Papazın kızı Gülizar’a tecavüz etmekle suçlandığı davadan beraat etmesine karşılık sürgüne gönderilmekten de kurtulamamıştır.<br />
Ermenilerin ‘’Kürt barbarlığı’’ hakkında ileri sürdükleri iddialar devam eden yıllarda kat kat artmıştır.Devam eden yıllarda ‘’Kürt ve Türklere karşı isyan eden Masum ve Savunmasız Ermeniler ‘’ propagandası İngiliz ve Fransız kamuoyunu meşgul ederken henüz tarafsız hükümet politikalarına sahip ABD basınında doğu daki olaylar ile ilgili tam tersi bilgiler yer almakta idi<br />
Bu gazete haberlerinin için de en anlamlısı NY Times’ da 1895’te Diyarbakır’da ki ‘’Ermeni İsyanı’’ ile ilgili olanıdır. Haberin başlığı ‘’Washington’a Deklare Edilen Ermeni Raporları Asılsız’’ olarak başlayıp , Amerikan sefaret yetkililerin incelemesi sonucu Diyarbakır’da iddia edilen ‘’Ermenilere’’ yönelik mezalimin asılsız olduğu, devrimci Ermeniler ve birkaç işbirlikçi Kürtle birlikte hem Ermenilerin hem de Kürtlerin taciz ve provake edildiği bildiriliyor.<br />
Bugünün Avrupa-Amerika basınında ya da bilimsel araştırmalarında bu tip haberlerin yayınlandığını görüyor musunuz? <br />
Bütün bu olaylar 1. Dünya Savaşı’nın devam ettiği yıllarda Van şehrinin Ruslar ve Ermeniler tarafından işgalinin hemen öncesinde van şehrindeki Ermenilerin şehir merkezinde çevresinde binlerce Kürt’ü katlettiği Alman Büyükelçisi Wangenheim tarafından bildirilir.<br />
Çarlık Rusyası’nda General Bolhovitinov’un 1915 tarihli raporunda ise Ermenilerin Müslamanlara karşı etnik temizlik hareketi resmi olarak belgelenmiştir.<br />
Aynı saptamaları 1920 ve 30’lu yıllarda Komunist Ermenilerde yapmışlardır.<br />
Halbuki Ermenilerin özellikle Doğu ve Güneydoğu Anadolu’nun 6 vilayetinde (Diyarbakır,Erzurum,Van,Elazığ,Bitlis,Sivas) illerinde İhtilaf Devletleri’nin de desteğiyle <br />
Osmanlı Devleti’nden ayrıcalıklar ve teminatlar almalarına rağmen neden Kürtleri ve Türkleri öldüreceklerdi ki? Bu romantik sorunun cevabını nüfus istatistiklerinde görüyoruz. 19yy. başında İngiliz araştırmacı H.F.B. Lynch ve Fransız Cuinet’e göre Osmanlı sınırları içinde ki Ermenilerin sayısı Kürt ve Türklere oranla neredeyse 1/3 daha azdı. Peki uzun yıllardan beri kurmak istedikleri Büyük Ermenistan Devleti bu nüfus yapısıyla nasıl kurulacaktı? 1828 deki Türkmençay Antlaşmasından sonra Transcaucasia’da ki Azeri nüfusun bugünki durumuna bakıldığında 1915 te Doğu Anadolu’da ki Müslüman halkın nasıl bir yıkımdan kurtulduğu çok daha iyi anlaşılır. Lynch’in verdiği nüfus istatistiğini göre 20.yy başında bugünki Ermenistan’ın nüfusunun yarısı Azeri’ydi. Ve akibetleri tamamen insanlık dışı bir süreçtir.<br />
İşte tam da burada ‘’Kandırılmış Kürtler’’ söyleminin politik anlamda ne amaçladığının farkındayız.Ama yazımın başında Avrupa aydınlanmasının trajik durumu işte burada sırıtır. En başta Van şehri olmak üzere Doğu ve Güneydoğu Anadolu’daki binlerce misyonerden hiçbiri Türk ve Kürtlere yapılan katliamlardan bahsetmez. Eğer bahseden biri varsa bile bu asla günyüzüne çıkmamıştır. Tabidir ki Avrupa ve Amerikalı Hıristiyan Misyonerlerini Avrupa Aydınlanma Felsefesi ile değilde ‘’İnandıkları En Kutsal’’ varlık felsefesi ile değerlendirmek gerekir.<br />
Bunu değerlendirmeyi de varsa yine emperyalist çıkarlar için ‘’Hıristiyan Fanatizmini’’ mübah gören vicdanlarına bırakıyorum. ( sanırım ben bir hayalperestim ki ontolojik bir hesaplaşma bekliyorum)<br />
</blockquote>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4034620263243830383.post-25666323296637754832011-04-28T05:16:00.000-07:002019-10-05T13:56:50.458-07:00Biggest Photo Archive of Armenian Genocide Lie in the World<b>Photo Archive 4 :</b><br />
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<a href="http://angelsof1915.blogspot.com/2009/04/armenian-genocide-ballyhoo-photo.html">Photo Archive 3 Link:</a>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4034620263243830383.post-5791909893652409712011-04-24T04:47:00.000-07:002011-04-30T16:44:12.229-07:00ANOTHER ARCHIVE DOCUMENT RELATED TO ARMENIAN ATTACKS THAT IS ABOUT TO BE FORGOTTEN<span><span style="background-color: #134f5c;"></span></span>The ‘Illustration’ that represents the attacks by Armenian protestors to Ottoman Law Enforcement and that was published in the Nov 1896 issue of L’Univers Illustrie Journal is one of the rare examples. These rare illustrations that happen to be in French archives for many many years now are never published by the European or American media or by the science environment since they contradict the so called Armenian Genocide propaganda. Naturally, it is only wishful thinking to even consider that these illustrations can be seen in Armenian Institutions like Zoryan or Gomidas or in any related Armenian websites.<br />
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The explanation part of the ‘Illustration’ includes an article about ‘Turkish Armed Forces Being Attacked by Armenians in İstanbul Streets’. Meanwhile there is also reference to comments of British Minister of Foreign Affairs, Lord Salisbury politically presented about how they managed to get Abdülhamid the 2nd to form a comission in 1895 for demands to expand Armenian rights.<br />
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Indeed Lord Salisbury offered a plan to German Ambassador Von Herzfeldt in England in July 1895 about how to share Ottoman Empire but this plan was rejected by Germany at that time. [<b>Grosse Politik der Europaischen Kabinette 1870-1914,Bd. X, s. 10 vd., 40 vd.</b>] <br />
England lost faith in the continuation of Ottoman Empire’s existence after the Ottoman-Russian war. They also started to have concerns about Russian Czardom having a powerful existence in the Mediterranean by capturing East and Southeast Anatolia with the help of the Gregorian Armenians, after they lost their influence in Caucasus that originated from the ‘Türkmenchay Treaty’ signed between the Persians and the British in 1828. <br />
[Likewise, as a result of this dispute between England and Russian Czardom, Armenians would have to pay a heavy price after the Paris Peace Conference held in 1919 </blockquote><br />
News about ‘Massacres of Armenains’ became quite frequently published in especially French and British media towards the end of 19th century whereas the American media which had not taken any sides about the matter yet was publishing just the opposite. <br />
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In an article published in L’Univers Illustrie Journal, it is mentioned why Abdülhamid the 2nd removed Grand Vizier Kamil Pasha from duty. <br />
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<b>Translate to English copy of this article is as follows:</b><br />
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<b>Incidents in Armenia & Anatolia</b><br />
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People were looking forward to the speech of Prime Minister Lord Salisbury about the ‘Matter of the Orient’ in the celebrations held by the Mayor. Prime Minister’s speech was comforting and helped remove the pessimistic atmosphere created by the war monger media. <br />
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It is a known fact that the delegates of the three super powers suggested changes to the special laws of the Ottoman Empire to end the distressing investigations about Armenians. <br />
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Lord Salisbury ruled out the concerns about the Sultan winning a political battle against the British by indicating that he accepted the resolutions of the super powers:<br />
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‘’The impression in the foreign countries was that I added new items to the demands of the three super powers and that I amended the resolutions in line with the thoughts of the international commission. That is not true. I did not add anything new to the demands. ’’<br />
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''I proposed verbally an alternative to the resolutions of the super powers, whereby having a similar and easily achievable solution, but that would result in a more heterogeneous comission conrolling the actual Muslim organization (hence the actual Muslim organization staying the same). <br />
However when the Sultan accepted the proposal of the delegates from the three super powers, my alternative proposal became null and void. Since my suggestion for Muslim officials replacing Christian officials in this country (in Ottoman Empire) left an impression in European governments as if one religious group was developing an attitude towards another and since this was contradicting my position, I removed that.''<br />
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After this speech, Lord Salisbury indicated that the peaceful attitude of Christianity that was dominating Anatolia for 50 years was considered to be very important by the leader countries in continuation of this country’s existence. <br />
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The understanding of Lord Salisbury is that the leader countries worked in a tremendous unity that had never been seen before. Advisors of the Sultan indicated that massacres by Armenians would not be tolerated anymore. The reaction of the leader countries to this would be, according to Lord Salisbury, an expression of disapproval although this was just his opinion not the definite reaction. <br />
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It is now known why Grand Vizier Kamil Pasha resigned. This resignation became inevitable for the Sultan after he received a declaration from the three delegates of the leader countries. It is seen from this declaration that the leader countries complaint to the Sultan about the Grand Vizier because of his following statement: ‘’ The rebellions seen in several cities will not end soon’’. <br />
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The Sultan sacrificed his Prime Minister without blinking an eye following this declaration and made him resign. <br />
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Kamil Pasha became unforgiveable after this. The Sultan made him the governor of İzmir to be able to send him away from İstanbul as quick as possible and demanded him to start work there immediately. Kamil Pasha upon this, had to start heading for İzmir by sea although his health condition was not good. <br />
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Leader countries in their resolution communicated to the new Minister of Foreign Affairs (as was also communicated to the previous Minister) the conditions of Anatolia as well as their opinions about this and this time even with more determination and asked how the Sublime Porte was considering these and how it would protect its legal existence going forward. <br />
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The leader countries were hoping that no international intervention would be necessary after the Sublime Porte took all necessary precautions following the official treaty becoming effective. <br />
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La Gazette de Francfort is conveying the reason for the resignation of Kamil Pasha as follows:<br />
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The Grand Vizier warned the Sultan about the dangerous foreign political games played on him by a declaration. After Kamil Pasha returned to the palace, the Sultan summoned him, tore the declaration apart, threw it to the Grand Vizier and shouted at him as: ''Get out you traitor! ''. Kamil Pasha hardly survived after this and left the palace.<br />
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<div style="color: #45818e; font-family: "Helvetica Neue",Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Thanks Nabi & Elif for translates</span></div><br />
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<blockquote>1896 yılına ait L’Univers Illustrie dergisinin Kasım sayısında yer alan ve İstanbul’da Ermeni göstericilerin Osmanlı Emniyet teşkilatına saldırmasını temsil eden Illustrasyon, nadir örneklerden biridir. Fransız arşivlerinde yıllardan beri yer alan bu nadir canlandırmalar , ‘’ermeni soykırımı’’ propagandalarına uygun olmadığı için Avrupa ve Amerikan basınında ya da bilim çevrelerinde kesinlikle yayınlanmaz. Doğal olarak Ermeni Zoryan ya da Gomidas Enstitülerinin ya da Ermeni Websitelerinde bu tür canlandırmaları görmeyi ümit etmeniz bile bir hayaldir.<br />
Illustrasyonun açıklama yazısında ‘’Türk Polisleri İstanbul Sokaklarında Ermenilerin Saldırısına Uğruyor’’ yazısı yer alırken, ilgili makale İngiliz Dışişleri bakanı Lord Salisbury tarafından , 1895 yılında Osmanlı Sultanı II. Abdulhamid’e , Ermeniler için talep edilen haklar için nasıl komisyon kurdurdukları diplomatik bir dille anlatılmış.<br />
[ Halbuki 1895 Temmuzu’da Salisbury , İngiltere’nin Almanya Büyükelçisi Von Herzfeldt’e Osmanlı İmparatorluğunun paylaşımı için bir plan önermiş, ama bu plan Almanya tarafından kabul edilmemişti.<br />
[Grosse Politik der Europaischen Kabinette 1870-1914,Bd. X, s. 10 vd., 40 vd.] <br />
Osmanlı-Rus Harbi’nden sonra İngiltere’nin artık Osmanlı Devleti’nin mevcudiyetinin devam edeceğine ilişkin inancını yitirdiğini, 1828 de Türkmençay anlaşmasın da İran aracılığı ile Kafkasya’da süren hükmünü yitiren İngiliz dış politikasında , Rus Çarlığı’nın Gregoryen Ermeni’lerinin yardımıyla Doğu ve Güneydoğu Anadolu’yu ele geçirerek Akdeniz’de güç olması endişesi oluştuğunu görmekteyiz.Keza İngiltere ile Rus Çarlığı arasında bu sıkışmışlığın bedelini, 1919 daki Paris Barış Konferansından sonra Ermeniler çok daha ağır ödeyeceklerdir.]<br />
19.yy sonlarında, özellikle Fransız ve İngiliz basınında ‘’Ermenilere yönelik katliam’’ haberleri yoğunluk kazanmışken, henüz taraf olmayan Amerikan basınında ise bu haberlerin zıttı haberler yer almakta idi<br />
L’Univers Illustrie Dergisi’nde yer alan bu haberin inglizce çevirisini sunuyorum.<br />
▬Ermenistan ve Türkiyedeki olaylar▬<br />
Başbakan Lord Salisbury'nin Belediye Başkanının şöleninde Şark-Sorunu konuşması sabırsızlıkla beklenmekteydi. Başbakanın konuşması sakinleştiriciydi ve medyanın pesimist ve savaş havasını dindirdi.<br />
Biliniyorki, üç büyük devletin elçilikleri tarafından Osmanlı devletinin özel kanunlarında değişiklikler önerdilerki, Ermenilerin hakkında ki korkulu soruşturmalar sonlansın.<br />
Lord Salisbury bu konuda Sultan'ın büyük devletlerin önergelerini kabul ettiğini söyleyerek, Sultan’ın İngiliz Diplomasisine karşı zafer kazanmış olma endişelerini ortadan kaldırdı:<br />
‘’Dış ülkelerdeki izlenim benim benim üç büyük devletin taleplerine yeni maddeler eklediğim ve uluslararası komisyonun düşüncelerine uygun şekilde değiştirdiğim yönündeydi. Ama bu doğru değil.Taleplere hiçbir şey eklemedim.’’<br />
'' Alternatif olarak üçlü zirvenin taleplerinin bir benzerini, kolay ve aynı çözüm arayışında sözlü olarak aktüel müslüman organizasyonun aynı şekilde kalmasını, yanlız karışık bir komisyon kontrolünde olmasını önerdim. <br />
Sultan üçlü elçilerin taleplerini kabul edince, benim alternatif önergem hükümsüz kalmıştır. Avrupa’da ki iktirdarların bu ülkede (Osmanlıda) bir dinin diğer dine tavır aldığı gibi bir izlenim yaratması benim pozisyonuma ters düştüğü için, Müslüman memurların Hıristiyan memurlarla yer değiştirmesi önerisini kaldırdım.''<br />
Bu konuşmadan sonra Lord Salisbury, lider devletlerin hıristiyanlığın barışsal tavrını Türkiye'de 50 seneden beri sürdürdüğünü, bu ülkenin devamlılığı önemli gördüğünü belirtti.<br />
Lord Salisbury'nin anlayışı şudur ki, lider ülkeler bu ana kadar görülmemiş bir birlik çalışması arz etmişler. Sultan'ın danışmanları bir dahaki katliamlara göz yumulacağını zanetmesinler. Liderler nasıl mı davranır? Konuşmacı bu konuda kehanette bulunamıyor, yanlız ıfadesinde, lider ülkelerin bir dille tavır vericeklerini söylüyor.<br />
Şimdi Sadrazam Kamil Paşa’nın istifa nedenleri biliniyor. Sultan üç büyük devlet elçilliğinden gelen başvurusundan sonra bu istifayı ön gördü. Bu bildiride diplomatlar Vezir'in verdiği beyanda ‘’ Vilayetlerde çıkan ayaklanmaların bir anda son bulmayacağını’’ söylediği için şikayet etmişler. <br />
Sultan bir an beklemeden Başbakanını istifaya çağırıp kurban etmiştir.<br />
Kemal Paşa tamamen bağışlanamaz hale düştü. Onu İstanbul'dan uzaklaştırmak için Sultan emredip onu İzmir valisi olarak atamiş ve hemen iş başına geçmesini istemiş. Sağlık durumunun iyi olmamasına rağmen, zorunlu olarak gemi ile İzmir istikametine doğru yola çıkmıştır.<br />
Önergelerinde yeni Dışişleri Bakanına önceki Bakana bildirildiği gibi, Anadoludaki durumu ve görüşleri tekrar aktarılması, bu sefer daha azimli iletilmesi ve Babıali'nin bu durumu ve tüzel hayatı nasıl koruyacağına dağir tavır alıcağınının sorulmasını buyurmuştur.<br />
Büyük liderler resmi anlaşmayı yaptıktan sonra, Babıali'nin her türlü önlemi ele alacağını ümit ediyorlar ki, uluslararası bir müdahale gerekli olmasın.<br />
La Gazette de Francfort Gazetesinde Kamıl Paşa'nın istifa nedeninin sebebini şöyle aktarıyor.<br />
Büyük Vezir bir bildiri ile Sultan'ı etrafındaki dönen tehlikeli Dışileri politikaları konusunda uyarmıştır. Kamil Paşa Saray'a döndükten sonra Sultan bildiriyi yırtıp ayaklarının ucuna fırtlatmış ve bağırmış: '' Çık buradan, hain! '' Kamil Paşa güçlükle hayatta kalıp Saray'dan ayrılmıştır.<br />
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<b><i>[Şükrü Server Aya has taken on a thankless but extremely valuable task. Generations of scholars, politicians, and internet bloggers will make use of his work, often not citing the source. Others—those who do not want what Aya has uncovered ever to be seen—will excoriate him. Heedless of both supporters and detractors, Aya has continued to collect and analyze the documents and assertions that underlie the Armenian Question. He may not ever be properly thanked for his labors, but those of us who appreciate his discoveries know their great value. -<br />
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Justin McCarthy is Professor of History and Distinguished University Scholar at the University of Louisville.<br />
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Among his works on related subjects: Muslims and Minorities (1983), Death and Exile (1995), The Ottoman Turks (1997), The Ottoman Peoples and End of Empire (2001), The Armenian Rebellion at Van (2006), and The Turk in America (2010).<br />
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Although clearly not a trained and scholarly historian, Sukru Server Aya has offered over many years a monumental service in collecting documents unmistakably illustrating the exaggerated, inconsistent statements about the treatment of the Ottoman Government, and Turks generally, of Armenians during WWI. The evidence here is of a prejudicial, one-sided and venomous anti-Turkish stance characteristic of a time when the defeated Turks were fair game. Aya’s collection of the words of influential Armenian advocates cannot be ignored—and yet it has been and most likely will continue to be. Yet if the world listens to the facts Aya so passionately presents, a step forward will have been taken to interrupt the continuous cycle of murderous Insatiable rage based on the events of a century ago. <br />
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Sam S. Baskett]</i></b><br />
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An 81-Year Old Chevalier by Tufan Türenç<br />
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Şükrü Server Aya: A One-man Army Wrestling Armenian Fanatics<br />
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At his age you would expect him to relax and lounge in a leisurely manner, but instead he is a shining knight waging a war.<br />
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Aya is a graduate of Robert College with impeccable command of English.<br />
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After graduation he started his own business, which he liquidated upon retirement.<br />
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Suspicions about the Armenian allegations started to occupy his mind.<br />
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He started a research, in an effort to bring out the truth regarding the events of 1915.<br />
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Prior to starting this research, he asked himself the following questions:<br />
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“Did the events unfold the way Armenians portray them on the world stage?<br />
Did the Turks commit genocide?<br />
OR is this an attempt to execute a nation without a trial?”<br />
During his school years and business life, Aya had many buddies and colleagues of Armenian descent.<br />
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He worked hard for years to discover the truth hidden behind lies, forged documents and slanders, and also be able to look at his friends straight in the eyes.<br />
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He combed through almost all the books, articles and Armenian documents disseminated globally on this subject.<br />
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After years of difficult and tiresome work, he collected countless documents and information that nullify<br />
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Armenian allegations, shedding light on their lies.<br />
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What surprised Aya was that most of these documents came from Turkish Armenians.<br />
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Hundreds of articles which were published on the Internet became insufficient to disseminate the overwhelming amount of information that he obtained from his research.<br />
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In the end, he decided to write a book.<br />
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Aya has written three books until now, two of them in English.<br />
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Printing of his latest book: The Genocide of Truth Continues was completed a few days ago, using his own resources in spite of financial difficulties.<br />
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He dedicated his book to those who defend the TRUTH!<br />
His health being far from perfect, 81-year old Şükrü Server Aya is revealing to the whole world the facts that he discovered from credible sources.<br />
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In his latest book, he explains, based on information gathered from documents he collected throughout the years, how a group of Armenians from Anatolia were duped into fighting against the Ottoman Empire.<br />
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Armed with documents from various sources, he is refuting the falsified distorted documents that some fanatic Armenians spread to the world as proof of their allegations.<br />
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He is exposing how the US Genocide Holocaust Memorial Museum in the USA is misled and<br />
politicized.<br />
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He is disclosing the real face of the US Ambassador Morgenthau and his misdeeds.<br />
He brings to light with documents from foreign sources, how fanatic Armenians and the Church use religion to collect financial sources.<br />
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In the light of his research, Aya poses the following question:<br />
“Have the fanatic Armenians been collecting donations for a century, in order to wage war, OR are they fueling the battle and current animosity (which reached incredible proportions) for the sake of making money? collecting donations?Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4034620263243830383.post-59549178487874672010-04-21T15:03:00.000-07:002011-04-01T19:30:17.525-07:00Armenian Genocide Poster [ NEW ]<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bW9KMCvgZKk/TZaKNGXFnPI/AAAAAAAAA5s/PdR1kUYxUts/s1600/ALLEGORYofAGL.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left:1em; margin-right:1em"><img border="0" height="333" width="400" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bW9KMCvgZKk/TZaKNGXFnPI/AAAAAAAAA5s/PdR1kUYxUts/s400/ALLEGORYofAGL.jpg" /></a></div><br />
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<h3 class="UIIntentionalStory_Message" data-ft="{"type":"msg"}"><span class="UIStory_Message">NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC, OCTOBER 1915<br />
How come 1,500,000 Armenians had been killed in the so called genocide?</span></h3><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_53G-j355klQ/S89yIWDaB3I/AAAAAAAAAm8/4rT077haXU8/s1600/NationalGeographic-October1915.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" height="285" src="http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh186/LDDnonstop/Armenian%20Genocide%20Posters/NationalGeographic-October1915.jpg" width="400" /></a></div>POSTERS OF ARMENIAN GENOCIDE LIE<br />
<a href="http://genoposts.blogspot.com/" onmousedown="UntrustedLink.bootstrap($(this), "5e9bc", event)" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://genoposts.blogspot.<wbr></wbr><span class="word_break"></span>com/</a>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4034620263243830383.post-9152516672316107532010-04-14T16:36:00.000-07:002010-11-21T10:41:38.763-08:00IS UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA AWARE OF MATHEMATICS?<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/S8ZLQbP_LRI/AAAAAAAAAlw/iE_4FW9KSNc/s1600/Taner_Akcam00.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><img border="0" height="320" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/S8ZLQbP_LRI/AAAAAAAAAlw/iE_4FW9KSNc/s320/Taner_Akcam00.jpg" width="228" /></a></div>There is a comparative table published in the history section of University of Minnesota’s web portal in relation to the so called Armenian Genocide about the population of Ottoman Armenians between 1914 & 1922. This table compares Ottoman Armenians living in Ottoman Empire in 1914 and in 1922. The first conclusion a person can arrive at by looking at this table, assuming that he or she uses this table as a reference point, is that Ottoman Armenians around 1.750.000 had been kiled between the years of 1914 & 1922. <br />
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The first question that comes to mind is whether this table was prepared by an academical institution or not and if so how many official or unofficial annexes referring to those years were used in the preparation of the table since there are no references given for the table. However the prime question indeed is why 1922 is mentioned and not 1919 or 1921. <br />
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<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/S8ZMDgEwZkI/AAAAAAAAAl4/i5OpjT8qq0s/s1600/minnesota.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" height="340" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/S8ZMDgEwZkI/AAAAAAAAAl4/i5OpjT8qq0s/s400/minnesota.JPG" width="400" /></a></div>To answer this question I need to share with you some of the official documents from US, British, Armenian and League of Nations archives. First of all let’s look at the population of Ottoman Armenians in North Syria in year 1916, the place that forms the basis of the ‘genocide’ claims where <br />
supposedly Ottoman Armenians had been killed after exiled to. <br />
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The number of Ottoman Armenians present in year 1916 in North Syria after the exile had been quoted as 486,000 in the official letter sent to American Ambassador of Istanbul, Henry Morgenthau by American Consul of Aleppo. <br />
The letter also mentions that this number had been verified by the Armenian Patriarch Vahran Tahmizian. This number of 486.000 is qouted only for the Ottoman Armenians exiled to North Syria and the letter continues to mention about the aid and care provided by the American charities to the Armenians in the region<br />
<b><i>Click to Link for Document</i></b><br />
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The prime official document proving the number of Ottoman Armenians living in the Empire after WW1 is another one from US archives though. This official American document qoutes the number of Ottoman Armenians living in the Empire after WW1 as 624,000 which is also confirmed by Armenian Patriarch Vartan Amirhanian<br />
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(US. Archives Nara, T1192 R2. 860J.01/395). <br />
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Please keep the numbers in mind (624.000). By the way, Ottoman Armenians started to emigrate to Caucasus with the inception of WW1 in 1914. Although Ottoman Empire decided to relocate Armenians in above mentioned locations, Batumi Ambassador of Britain P. Stevens indicated that many Armenians were not even subject to obligatory relocation and were taken away by Russians to Caucasus in the report he sent to London on 25th Feb, 1916.<br />
[Halaçoğlu, Armenians: Exile and Migration,p.84-85] <br />
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This is also confirmed in the report of British Lord Major Found which he wrote about 1915. 250.000 Armenians moved to Caucasus Armenia from Anatolia fighting against illnesses and war conditions.<br />
<a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/ScbhlHEB4VI/AAAAAAAAASc/cR1sFLwiTRo/s1600-h/Major1.jpg">[U.K.FO 96/205]</a><br />
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250.000 figure was confirmed in the report sent by Armenian National Delegation Chairman Boghos Nubar to Ministry of Foreign Affairs of France in addition to the figure of 40.000 Ottoman Armenians being in Iran. <br />
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<b><i>Archives des Afferes Etrangeres de France, </i></b><br />
<b><i> Serie Levant, Armenie, Vol. 2, folio 47-1918 </i></b><br />
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According to an offical American document published in 1919, the number of Ottoman Armenians migrated to Caucasus had reached to 300,000.<br />
<a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/ScfONjWjjsI/AAAAAAAAAUk/ZqLwyY9uN5Y/s1600-h/TheRepublicOfArmenia_Lodge1919.JPG">[The Republic Of Armenia--A Memorandum , On The Recognition Of The Government Of The Republic Of Armenia, Submitted By The Special Mission Of The Republic Of Armenia To The United States-- Presented By Mr. Lodge,November 10,1919, Washington,Government Printing Office 1919] </a><br />
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The number of Ottoman Armenians migrated to South Russia is qouted as 70,000 within the same document. <br />
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The number of Ottoman Armenians migrated to Armenian of Caucasus had been indicated precisely as 400,000 by the Refugees High Commissioner Fridjof Nansen of League of Nations <br />
<a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/SccCouZlbpI/AAAAAAAAATs/RlwuUCCmCDM/s1600-h/LoN-Assembly-EighthMeeting19September1928.JPG">(8th meeting of League of Nations 19th October, 1928). </a><br />
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<a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/SccKnYI2tUI/AAAAAAAAAUU/EznlcPlsRFo/s1600-h/NationalGeographice-November1919-ArmenianRefugeesInTiflis.JPG">November 1919 issue of National Geographic</a> mentions of a 20,000 Ottoman Armenians residing in Tbilisi (Georgia).<br />
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Now let’s add all these number together. <br />
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624,000 in Ottoman Empire (American National Archives) <br />
400,000 in Armenia of Caucasus (Fridjof Nansen-League of Nations) <br />
70,000 in South Russia (Mr. Lodge Washington Government Printing Office)<br />
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40,000 in Iran (BoghosNubar-Archives des Afferes Etrangeres de France)<br />
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20,000 in Georgia (National Geographic 1919 Nov. Issue) <br />
1,154,000 TOTAL <br />
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Without even questioning or examining the validity of the references of University of Minnesota, qouting the population of Ottoman Armenians as 2,133,190 in 1914, we conclude that 1,154,000 Ottoman Armenians were alive in 1921.<br />
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Anyone with a sane mind asks the same questions at this stage: <br />
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How come 1,500,000 Armenians had been killed in the so called genocide? <br />
Does the University of Minnesota know mathematics? <br />
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I have two suggestions for the University of Minnesota: <br />
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1.They either prove the documents shown in this paper to be fake to avoid the powerless or weak position that many academical institutions have to go through because of their need for donations from different loby groups or, <br />
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2.They start taking calculus courses. <br />
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<b>The mathematical conclusion we arrive at is that ‘History’ is not a discipline that can be used as a political exploitation tool as people see fit.</b><br />
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<b><span style="font-size: x-small;">[<a href="http://angelsof1915.blogspot.com/2009/03/armenian-refugees-movements-and.html"><i>More about Armenian Population before/after WW1</i></a>] </span></b>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4034620263243830383.post-24901691979142251032010-03-22T15:22:00.000-07:002010-03-22T15:44:01.860-07:00Halacoglu Is Responding to Taner Akcam<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ekMkMJB-5TOB1kiH36nuoA?authkey=Gv1sRgCNyrjpHWsMOr1AE&feat=embedwebsite"><img src="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_53G-j355klQ/S6fu5LOgfRI/AAAAAAAAAlU/Jw9AyLOD008/s144/yusuf_halacoglu.jpg" /></a></td></tr>
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TARAF 29th of May,2008<br />
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<b>Yusuf Halacoglu Responding</b><br />
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Dikran M. KHALIGIAN from Armenian National Committee indicated in a documentary filmed in 2003 that the archives of Dashnak Sutyun were being prepared to be opened and that Dashnak Sutyun was in the process of presenting the archives to 3rd parties. He also indicated that the access to the archives was limited up until that time and permits were required to have access to them. He explained the reason for this limited access by indicating that the documents were very old and valuable and that some precautions had to be taken to preserve them before they were public use. <br />
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‘I am sending this response in relation to the accusations and claims directed against me as well as the questions asked in the article printed in Taraf newspaper on 25.05.2008 under the name of ‘Forget about the Armenian Archives, look at your own Ottoman Archives’. I would like the response to be printed with the same page and font formats if possible.’ <br />
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I have been receiving positive feedback from different regions about my offer of giving USD 20 million to Armenians in return for access to their archives. This offer was published in Hürriyet newspaper on 20th of May, 2008 as a headline news. If we are to investigate events of 1915 on a proper basis, then Dashnak and Armenia archives as well as other Armenian archives in Jerusalem should be opened and investigated. Third party archives are as important as these aforementioned archives with regards to this matter though. Up until now we have seen pressure only on Ottoman Archives to be opened but not on any other archives. Then why has noone spoken of also opening Armenian archives as they represent the other side of the story? In a historical investigation, anyone very well knows that all related documents should be checked and analyzed in order to investigate objectively all sides of the story. At this stage, Ms. Hür questions what use Dashnak archives are to me. Whatever you are hoping to find from Ottoman archives yourself is applicable to the same extent to Dashnak archives, I am hopeful that I can reach very valuable information in these archives and Dashnak papers and documents in Russian archives presently support my position. Meanwhile, Ms. Hür is talking about the inappropriateness of my offer. I had difficulty in understanding why my offer was inappropriate. Why is offering financial support for the classification of these archives inappropriate? I think she has her own reasons for not supporting the idea of opening of these archives. I do not know about that, however if we are to contact with our Armenian colleagues and other Armenians on the subject matter, it is vital for all archives to be opened without hesitation to the service of all researchers from all around the world. Anyone should be able to confront history without fear. On the other hand, despite the disclaimer of Diaspora indicating that the archives in Boston are open to everyone, many people and foremost Ara Sarafyan indicate that the archives are open only for limited use by specific people. <br />
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Also in a documentary filmed by TRT in 2003, consulted by Prof. Dr. Kemal Çiçek from our institution, Dikran M. KHALIGIAN himself from Armenian National Committee indicated that the archives of Dashnak Sutyun were being prepared to be opened and that Dashnak Sutyun was in the process of presenting the archives to 3rd parties. He also indicated that the access to the archives was limited up until that time and permits were required to have access to them. He explained the reason for this limited access by indicating that the documents were very old and valuable and that some precautions had to be taken to preserve them before they were public use. So he gave the signal of the archives to be opened in a very short period of time. In the same documentary Mr. KHALIGIAN also indicated that there was need of a considerable amount of financial support for the classification of the archives. As you can see from this, noone other than Armenians or a few people supporting their thesis could make any research on the archives. You can not conclude that the archives are open by just the investigation and analysis of five researchers on the archives. Also in order for us to talk about archives being open for public use, it means that all papers and documents of the archives should be open. However it was announced that only four volumes of these archives were open. Let alone these volumes not having been presented to the whole science world, we do not know whether they include selective documentation. Despite all this, Ms. Hür supports Taner Akçam passionately by claiming that Ottoman Archives are closed or selectively presented and meanwhile she can not help but admit that she also benefited from Ottoman archives. <br />
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The claim of the Ottoman archives being sorted out and selectively presented creates a funny and ridiculous position today. If so, why did not the British claim such a thing during occupation of İstanbul, especially in a time when they were desperately after finding evidence to trial Malta deportees? Can these claims be just second guesses or predictions? We should not rule out other reasons if we consider that the newspapers back then had got financial support from various countries. Also Ottoman correspondence language and bureaucracy should be very well known in order to be able to understand whether Ottoman archives were sorted out . To know these things very well requires a considerable amount of time being devoted for investigation of Ottoman archives. People devoting such time to investigate Ottoman archives very well know that letters sent from central administration had been sent to many places and even if the ones kept by the central administration had been destroyed, this case is not applicable to the ones kept by local authorities. As a matter of fact, Prof. Dr. Selim Deringil indicated in a dialogue with Mr. Safa Kaplan which was printed in Hürriyet newspaper on 25th of April, 2005 that the Ottoman archives could not have been possibly sorted out. Same thing was indicated by Prof. Dr. Şükrü Hanioğlu. It is also quite a show of prejudice to indicate that it is almost impossible to investigate ATASE Archive. I suggest she makes a formal application to request such investigation. <br />
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Ms. Hür is claiming that even after the Ottoman archives were sorted out(!), what is left in the archives are alone enough proof for the so called genocide by basing her claims on Taner Akçam’s book called ‘Armenian Issue is Resolved’. However when the documents used in the book are compared with the originals of those documents, it will be clearly seen that the claims of Mr. Akçam are baseless. The two examples that I will be giving are perfect proof of how these documents had been distorted. The first example is related to a telegraph registered under DH. ŞFR. # 55/290 and where Mr. Akçam took the name of his book from. Mr. Akçam is trying to condition the reader that all Armenians had been killed by selectively referring to a sentence in the telegraph. The sentence in the telegraph is as follows: ‘The Armenian issue in the eastern provinces has been resolved’ (p. 182). However Mr. Akçam is just taking some part of the sentence and he is stating that ‘Armenian issue is resolved’. The reason why he is cherry picking some part of the sentence is because he is trying to prove that all Armenians in the country at the time had been attacked and had been victims of a genocide. Also he did not make any reference to other parts of the telegraph in his book where indeed the real striking sentences were included and he did not mention in his book why this telegraph had been written in the first place. When we investigate the telegraph with the dignity of a scholar, we see that some Armenians around Ankara were raped by some officers in charge of the relocation, gendarme or by public and rapers were also committing theft to satisfy their lower selves. The telegraph continues to indicate the sorrow the Ottoman Ministry was feeling because of these incidents. This means that let alone murdering or massacring Armenians, Ottoman authorities were very upset because of these incidents and orders were issued indicating that necessary precautions should be taken to prevent these types of incidents in the future. As a matter of fact, 146 people who were said to get involved in these incidents were instigated to military court. <br />
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The second example is the reference made to the key telegraph dated 29th of June, 1331 (12th of July, 1915 according to gregorian calender) which was sent by Talat Pasha to the province of Diyarbakır (DH., ŞFR. Nr.54/406). The specific reference was made to the 185th page of the telegraph, where the issue in relation to Diyarbakır and Dr. Reşid was mentioned. Mr. Akçam here again fails to include the most important parts of the telegraph. He interpretes some sentences on the aforementioned page of the telegraph as some Armenians in the province as well as some other Christians from differing sects were being murdered lately and that some people sent from Diyarbakır butchered a total of 700 Christians, Armenians and other including reverends, in the city of Mardin by taking them out of the city. However he fails to include the said sentences in full in his book where he leaves certain parts out which results in misinterpretation of the meanings of the sentences. I included the full version of these sentences in my book called ‘Facts on the Relocation of Armenians’ ( I also included a copy of the telegraph in question at the end of my book). Mr. Akçam, when making reference to the said sentences in Ottoman Turkish on page 185 of the telegraph, fails to include two words (‘ez-cümle ahiren’ / ‘according to this sentence afterwards’) that are indeed on the original sentence, thereby changing the meaning of the sentences totally. He interprets that people sent from Diyarbakır were sent to butcher Armenians and other Christians, however when you continue to read the rest of the sentences you see that the people sent from Diyarbakır were sent to investigate the alleged murders of Armenians and other Christians in the province. Mr. Akçam also misspells the word ‘marhasa’ which means Armenian reverend in Ottoman Turkish by writing it as ‘murahhas’ which means officer or member in Ottoman Turkish. He does this with the intention of trying to get some government officers involved in the matter indeed when the matter did not have anything to do with government officers. In summary, people sent from Diyarbakır were sent to investigate the allegations by consulting Armenian reverends, Armenian public and other Christians in the city. A thorough critique of the book is being prepared by our institution. <br />
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Dikran M. KHALIGIAN from Armenian National Committee indicated in a documentary filmed in 2003 that the archives of Dashnak Sutyun were being prepared to be opened and that Dashnak Sutyun was in the process of presenting the archives to 3rd parties. He also indicated that the access to the archives was limited up until that time and permits were required to have access to them. He explained the reason for this limited access by indicating that the documents were very old and valuable and that some precautions had to be taken to preserve them before they were public use. <br />
<br />
‘I am sending this response in relation to the accusations and claims directed against me as well as the questions asked in the article printed in Taraf newspaper on 25.05.2008 under the name of ‘Forget about the Armenian Archives, look at your own Ottoman Archives’. I would like the response to be printed with the same page and font formats if possible.’ <br />
<br />
I have been receiving positive feedback from different regions about my offer of giving USD 20 million to Armenians in return for access to their archives. This offer was published in Hürriyet newspaper on 20th of May, 2008 as a headline news. If we are to investigate events of 1915 on a proper basis, then Dashnak and Armenia archives as well as other Armenian archives in Jerusalem should be opened and investigated. Third party archives are as important as these aforementioned archives with regards to this matter though. Up until now we have seen pressure only on Ottoman Archives to be opened but not on any other archives. Then why has noone spoken of also opening Armenian archives as they represent the other side of the story? In a historical investigation, anyone very well knows that all related documents should be checked and analyzed in order to investigate objectively all sides of the story. At this stage, Ms. Hür questions what use Dashnak archives are to me. Whatever you are hoping to find from Ottoman archives yourself is applicable to the same extent to Dashnak archives, I am hopeful that I can reach very valuable information in these archives and Dashnak papers and documents in Russian archives presently support my position. Meanwhile, Ms. Hür is talking about the inappropriateness of my offer. I had difficulty in understanding why my offer was inappropriate. Why is offering financial support for the classification of these archives inappropriate? I think she has her own reasons for not supporting the idea of opening of these archives. I do not know about that, however if we are to contact with our Armenian colleagues and other Armenians on the subject matter, it is vital for all archives to be opened without hesitation to the service of all researchers from all around the world. Anyone should be able to confront history without fear. On the other hand, despite the disclaimer of Diaspora indicating that the archives in Boston are open to everyone, many people and foremost Ara Sarafyan indicate that the archives are open only for limited use by specific people. <br />
<br />
Also in a documentary filmed by TRT in 2003, consulted by Prof. Dr. Kemal Çiçek from our institution, Dikran M. KHALIGIAN himself from Armenian National Committee indicated that the archives of Dashnak Sutyun were being prepared to be opened and that Dashnak Sutyun was in the process of presenting the archives to 3rd parties. He also indicated that the access to the archives was limited up until that time and permits were required to have access to them. He explained the reason for this limited access by indicating that the documents were very old and valuable and that some precautions had to be taken to preserve them before they were public use. So he gave the signal of the archives to be opened in a very short period of time. In the same documentary Mr. KHALIGIAN also indicated that there was need of a considerable amount of financial support for the classification of the archives. As you can see from this, noone other than Armenians or a few people supporting their thesis could make any research on the archives. You can not conclude that the archives are open by just the investigation and analysis of five researchers on the archives. Also in order for us to talk about archives being open for public use, it means that all papers and documents of the archives should be open. However it was announced that only four volumes of these archives were open. Let alone these volumes not having been presented to the whole science world, we do not know whether they include selective documentation. Despite all this, Ms. Hür supports Taner Akçam passionately by claiming that Ottoman Archives are closed or selectively presented and meanwhile she can not help but admit that she also benefited from Ottoman archives. <br />
<br />
The claim of the Ottoman archives being sorted out and selectively presented creates a funny and ridiculous position today. If so, why did not the British claim such a thing during occupation of İstanbul, especially in a time when they were desperately after finding evidence to trial Malta deportees? Can these claims be just second guesses or predictions? We should not rule out other reasons if we consider that the newspapers back then had got financial support from various countries. Also Ottoman correspondence language and bureaucracy should be very well known in order to be able to understand whether Ottoman archives were sorted out . To know these things very well requires a considerable amount of time being devoted for investigation of Ottoman archives. People devoting such time to investigate Ottoman archives very well know that letters sent from central administration had been sent to many places and even if the ones kept by the central administration had been destroyed, this case is not applicable to the ones kept by local authorities. As a matter of fact, Prof. Dr. Selim Deringil indicated in a dialogue with Mr. Safa Kaplan which was printed in Hürriyet newspaper on 25th of April, 2005 that the Ottoman archives could not have been possibly sorted out. Same thing was indicated by Prof. Dr. Şükrü Hanioğlu. It is also quite a show of prejudice to indicate that it is almost impossible to investigate ATASE Archive. I suggest she makes a formal application to request such investigation. <br />
<br />
Ms. Hür is claiming that even after the Ottoman archives were sorted out(!), what is left in the archives are alone enough proof for the so called genocide by basing her claims on Taner Akçam’s book called ‘Armenian Issue is Resolved’. However when the documents used in the book are compared with the originals of those documents, it will be clearly seen that the claims of Mr. Akçam are baseless. The two examples that I will be giving are perfect proof of how these documents had been distorted. The first example is related to a telegraph registered under DH. ŞFR. # 55/290 and where Mr. Akçam took the name of his book from. Mr. Akçam is trying to condition the reader that all Armenians had been killed by selectively referring to a sentence in the telegraph. The sentence in the telegraph is as follows: ‘The Armenian issue in the eastern provinces has been resolved’ (p. 182). However Mr. Akçam is just taking some part of the sentence and he is stating that ‘Armenian issue is resolved’. The reason why he is cherry picking some part of the sentence is because he is trying to prove that all Armenians in the country at the time had been attacked and had been victims of a genocide. Also he did not make any reference to other parts of the telegraph in his book where indeed the real striking sentences were included and he did not mention in his book why this telegraph had been written in the first place. When we investigate the telegraph with the dignity of a scholar, we see that some Armenians around Ankara were raped by some officers in charge of the relocation, gendarme or by public and rapers were also committing theft to satisfy their lower selves. The telegraph continues to indicate the sorrow the Ottoman Ministry was feeling because of these incidents. This means that let alone murdering or massacring Armenians, Ottoman authorities were very upset because of these incidents and orders were issued indicating that necessary precautions should be taken to prevent these types of incidents in the future. As a matter of fact, 146 people who were said to get involved in these incidents were instigated to martial court. <br />
<br />
The second example is the reference made to the key telegraph dated 29th of June, 1331 (12th of July, 1915 according to gregorian calender) which was sent by Talat Pasha to the province of Diyarbakır (DH., ŞFR. Nr.54/406). The specific reference was made to the 185th page of the telegraph, where the issue in relation to Diyarbakır and Dr. Reşid was mentioned. Mr. Akçam here again fails to include the most important parts of the telegraph. He interpretes some sentences on the aforementioned page of the telegraph as some Armenians in the province as well as some other Christians from differing sects were being murdered lately and that some people sent from Diyarbakır butchered a total of 700 Christians, Armenians and other including reverends, in the city of Mardin by taking them out of the city. However he fails to include the said sentences in full in his book where he leaves certain parts out which results in misinterpretation of the meanings of the sentences. I included the full version of these sentences in my book called ‘Facts on the Relocation of Armenians’ ( I also included a copy of the telegraph in question at the end of my book). Mr. Akçam, when making reference to the said sentences in Ottoman Turkish on page 185 of the telegraph, fails to include two words (‘ez-cümle ahiren’ / ‘according to this sentence afterwards’) that are indeed on the original sentence, thereby changing the meaning of the sentences totally. He interprets that people sent from Diyarbakır were sent to butcher Armenians and other Christians, however when you continue to read the rest of the sentences you see that the people sent from Diyarbakır were sent to investigate the alleged murders of Armenians and other Christians in the province. Mr. Akçam also misspells the word ‘marhasa’ which means Armenian reverend in Ottoman Turkish by writing it as ‘murahhas’ which means officer or member in Ottoman Turkish. He does this with the intention of trying to get some government officers involved in the matter indeed when the matter did not have anything to do with government officers. In summary, people sent from Diyarbakır were sent to investigate the allegations by consulting Armenian reverends, Armenian public and other Christians in the city. A thorough critique of the book is being prepared by our institution. <br />
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Meanwhile, Andonian papers that were qouted as highly reliable evidences, were proven to be fake by the book called ‘The Real Story Behind the Telegraphs that were Attributed to Talat Pasha by Armenians’ written by Şinasi Orel and Süreyya Yüce (Ermenilerce Talat Paşa’ya Atfedilen Telgrafların Gerçek Yüzü – Ankara 1976). Andonian family immigrated to USA in 1923. You can find their ‘immigration document’ in Appendix 1. You can also find two examples of the telegraphs that are supposed to have been written by Talat Pasha in Appendix 2. However it can easily be understood with even simple eyes that these telegraphs have nothing to do with Ottoman telegraphs, that they are full of errors and that they had been written post events. <br />
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I would also like to comment on some of the criticisms of Taner Akçam in relation to some of the issues that were included in my book called ‘Facts on the Relocation of Armenians’. First of all, I published a book to respond to questions and criticims of Taner Akçam. If Ms. Hür reads my book called ‘From Exile to Genocide: A Turk examines the Armenian claims against his country’ (Babıali Kültür Publishing, İstanbul, 5th edition, February 2008, 1st edition by February 2006), she will see clearly that all points and questions of Taner Akçam were answered by related documents. As a matter of fact, it was included in the book that the villains attacking the Armenian convoys being transferred to Syria in 1915, killing people, seizuring their possessions and / or kidnapping women from the convoys were sent to martial court for trial by the order given by Talat Pasha’s himself. 67 of the judged were sentenced to death, 68 were punished by forced labor and / or confined to fortresses and 524 were sentenced to imprisonment for periods between 2 to 5 years with the rulings of the martial court given on 19th of Feb, 12th of March and 22nd of May, 1916. The death sentences were executed and the information and documents related to these were already included in the book. The book also includes a list of how many people from which cities were instigated to courts. To confirm all these, a page of the ruling of the martial court is included in Appendix 3. In this document, it is seen that let alone for killing Armenians, criminals had been sentenced to death for even seizuring Armenians’ possessions. I believe these documents are perfect answers to ‘Akçam is questioning, Halaçoğlu is remaining silent’. Indeed, we gave all necessary answers long before but I guess they did not have the time to read my book for that. The books includes information as to the sources sent from Eskişehir in relation to the ‘Abandoned Property Commissions’ of ‘200,000 kuruş’ and ‘600,000 kuruş’. It should be assessed cautiously why these people who considered the application of these abandoned property commissions not as a government in war trying to preserve the lives of its citizens at all costs but as the government taking possession of Armenian goods and property, were at the same totally ignoring the ‘68 million kuruş’ approved and sent from government budget to Ministry of Internal Affairs for the proper relocation and settlement of Armenians and ’13,467,400 kuruş’ which was sent to Ministry of Health for the same reasons. The cash sent to provinces during the same period totalled ‘3,166,900’. ‘800,000 kuruş’ out of this was from abandoned property commissions. Whom was this amount sent for? This question is answered by the report sent by the then Aleppo consul of US, J.B. Jackson on 8th of Feb, 1916 to Ambassador Henry Morgenthau stating that 500,000 Armenian immigrants had arrived at Aleppo and 486,000 out of this were provided ncecssary care and aid (a photocopy of the report is included in the book). Jackson also included the cities and villages where the immigrant Armenians had been located in his report. The book also includes documents and their numbers which pertain to permits given by Talat Pasha to foreign charities in relation to the aids to be provided to Armenians in need. They also ignore the fact that Ottoman government allocated daily wages to Armenian migrants of ‘3 kuruş’ for the adults and ’60 para’ for the children, just for the sake of trying to prove a so-called genocide. We see that this allocation was also mentioned in the letter sent to Ambassador Morgenthau by Dr. W. M. Post working in an American hospital in Konya, as ‘1 kuruş’ to adults and ’20 para’ to children. <br />
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Meanwhile people who are making such claims, first and foremost Ms. Hür, should be well aware of the meaning of the word ‘genocide’. They should be well aware that seizure of Armenian possessions or exiling Armenians do not constitute a genocide. They should be well aware that by claiming that Ottoman archives had been sorted out or cherry picked, they can not prove a genocide. And of course they should also be well aware that the mere fact of some Armenians losing their lives do not constitute a genocide. Can the documents in the ‘League of Nations’ archives in Geneva proving that 1,200,000 Armenians were living after WW1 (the ones living under different identities are excluded) or the letter sent by Boghos Nubar Pasha, the chairman of Armenian National Delegation, to French Minister of External Affairs stating that they fought alongside with Entente Powers and that they lost many Ottoman Armenian soldiers fighting in French, English and Russian armies be ignored? How are the riots and uprisings of Armenians back then that were also mentioned in French and Russian archives going to be explained? And unfortunately it should also be assessed carefully why these ‘informal’ historians are not responding positively to the request of us, we the ‘formal’ historians, whereby we request to be able to openly discuss the issues with all historians whether Turkish or not or we request to be able to make researches together. But most importantly, they need to be able to answer our questions as listed below: <br />
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1. Had Armenians rioted before and after WW1?<br />
2. Had Armenians cooperated with western powers military and administrative wise?<br />
3. Had they fought against Ottomans in Russian, English and French armies?<br />
4. Do you know the activities of Nazarbekov and Andranik in 1914 & 1915?<br />
5. How many Muslim civilians had been massacred by Armenian comittees until the period of ‘Relocation’ which is up to the date of 27th of May, 1915?<br />
6. Who surrendered Van to Russians and who burnt down and destroyed the city?<br />
7. How many Armenians had survived WW1?<br />
8. How many Armenian riots and uprisings had taken place between November 1914 and May 1915 when Ottoman empire had been fighting in 4 different battles?<br />
9. Which countries had provided arms to Armenian Committees?<br />
10. Do you know anything about the Armenians who had sacrificed their lives for France?<br />
11. What are the reasons for Ottoman administration and people to feel hatred and hositility against Armenians?<br />
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(29th of May,2008)<br />
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[<b>Russian Painter Vasily Vasilyevich Vereshchagin Paint : </b><br />
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Armenians use several fake pics in several unofficial sites to back up their accusations of so called genocide and this way not only they twist and bend realities but also appeal to people's emotions to make them join their unlawful cause.<br />
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<span style="font-style: italic;">(Ermeniler, sözde soykırım iddialarını desteklemek için birçok resmi olmayan sitede çok sayıda sahte resim kullanmakta ve bu sayede sadece gerçekleri çarpıtmakla kalmayıp haksız davalarına duygu sömürüsü yoluyla katılımı arttırmaktadırlar.)<br />
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<span style="font-weight: bold;">Fake Picture No:1 <br />
A woman who had been slaughtered by Turks ?</span><br />
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<a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/Sew9FMLl4fI/AAAAAAAAAZI/R5Gj-oFIc4k/s1600-h/Youtube-armenia1968-HungaryJew.JPG"><img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5326699618650939890" src="https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/Sew9FMLl4fI/AAAAAAAAAZI/R5Gj-oFIc4k/s400/Youtube-armenia1968-HungaryJew.JPG" style="cursor: pointer; display: block; height: 263px; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center; width: 400px;" /></a><br />
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<a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/Sew9w6acD7I/AAAAAAAAAZQ/wbPAxDsFLCg/s1600-h/sahte011-HungaryHolocaust.JPG" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img alt="holocaust photos" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5326700369795616690" src="https://2.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/Sew9w6acD7I/AAAAAAAAAZQ/wbPAxDsFLCg/s200/sahte011-HungaryHolocaust.JPG" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; height: 130px; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; width: 150px;" /></a><a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/Sew-QdpjUhI/AAAAAAAAAZY/Tam0RxcAv74/s1600-h/unitedhumanrights-Sahte+HungaryJewWoman.JPG" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img alt="armenian genocide" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5326700911830192658" src="https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/Sew-QdpjUhI/AAAAAAAAAZY/Tam0RxcAv74/s200/unitedhumanrights-Sahte+HungaryJewWoman.JPG" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; height: 150px; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; width: 152px;" /></a><a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/Sew-sCOfW4I/AAAAAAAAAZg/QNrOBHmUHiM/s1600-h/Hungaria-Jewish+victims+of+Arrow+Cross+men..JPG" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img alt="armenian genocide" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5326701385505266562" src="https://2.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/Sew-sCOfW4I/AAAAAAAAAZg/QNrOBHmUHiM/s200/Hungaria-Jewish+victims+of+Arrow+Cross+men..JPG" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; height: 124px; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; width: 150px;" /></a><br />
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<span style="font-style: italic;"><a href="http://www.holocaust-history.org/hungarian-photos/">PhotoLink1</a></span><br />
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This picture indeed belongs to a Jewish woman slaughtered by Nazi Arrow Cross Men Party during WW2 in Hungary. This is an official historical evidence of Holocaust but Armenians nonetheless use this picture to deceive people and show it as an Armenian woman slaughtered by Turks with a shameful act.<br />
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<span style="font-style: italic;">(Bu fotoğraf , İkinci Dünya Savaşı'nda Macaristan'da Nazi Arrow Cross Men Partisi tarafından katledilen Jahudi kadına aittir.<br />
Holocaust'un tarihi belgesi olarak kayıtlara girmiştir.Ermeniler tarafından utanmasızca ''Türklerin katlettiği Ermeni Kadın''<br />
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<span style="font-weight: bold;">Fake Picture No: 2 <br />
Heads decapitated by Turks ?</span><br />
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This picture indeed belongs to <a href="http://itwasjohnson.impiousdigest.com/who_is_white_rose.htm">White Rose activitists</a> who fought against Nazis in Germany during WW2. These activists were sentenced to death and then killed via guillotine by Nazi Germany. <br />
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<span style="font-style: italic;">(Bu fotoğraf İkinici Dünya Savaşı esnasında Almanya'da Nazilere Karşı savaşan White Rose hareketi üyelerine aittir. Nazi Almanyası tarafından giyotinle Başları kesilerek idam edilmişlerdir.)<br />
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<i><a href="http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/03/muslim-turkey-promises-another-armenian-genocide-if-you-speak-of-the-fiirst-aremenian-genocide-prime.html">Cheap populism from Pamela Geller Blog [ Atlas Shrugs.com ]</a><b></b></i><br />
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/03/muslim-turkey-promises-another-armenian-genocide-if-you-speak-of-the-fiirst-aremenian-genocide-prime.html<br />
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Armenian women and children slaughtered by Turks ?</span><br />
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<span style="font-weight: bold;"> </span><span style="font-size: small;"><b><i> [Falsified Background Image of Propaganda Poster of Armenian National Committee of America]</i></b></span><br />
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These women and children in the picture are indeed Turkish women and children <a href="http://www.ermenisorunu.gen.tr/english/album/ana7.html">slaughtered by Armenians in Subatan</a> (in Ottoman Empire) on 25 April 1918. The picture is being copied by Armenians in internet and is presented as a picture of Armenian victims. <br />
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<a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/SexQNysuCPI/AAAAAAAAAao/W3_s1j97Ajk/s1600-h/subatan.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img alt="armenian genocide" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5326720657150314738" src="https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/SexQNysuCPI/AAAAAAAAAao/W3_s1j97Ajk/s400/subatan.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; display: block; height: 387px; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center; width: 500px;" /></a><br />
<span style="font-style: italic;">[Original photo is in Turkish Atase Archive]</span><br />
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<span style="font-style: italic;">(Bu fotoğrafta gösterilen kadın ve çocuklar , 25 Nisan 1918 de Türkiye Subatan'da Ermeniler tarafından katledilmiş Türk çocuklarıdır. Bu fotoğrafın orjinali Türk arşivlerindedir. Ermeniler tarafından internet üzerinden kopyalanarak ''Ermeni Kurbanlar'' gibi gösterilmektedir.)</span><br />
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<span style="font-weight: bold;">Fake Picture No: 4 <br />
Women and children slaughtered by Turks ?</span><br />
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<a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/SexS7qnWb0I/AAAAAAAAAaw/cMJJZYqZUeo/s1600-h/sahte003.JPG" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img alt="armenian genocide" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5326723644277550914" src="https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/SexS7qnWb0I/AAAAAAAAAaw/cMJJZYqZUeo/s200/sahte003.JPG" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; height: 150px; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; width: 154px;" /></a><a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/SexTLZZ02LI/AAAAAAAAAa4/_ZeIvKa11uU/s1600-h/sahte009-genocidewalk-vagarir.JPG" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img alt="armenian genocide" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5326723914535327922" src="https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/SexTLZZ02LI/AAAAAAAAAa4/_ZeIvKa11uU/s200/sahte009-genocidewalk-vagarir.JPG" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; height: 150px; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; width: 180px;" /></a><a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/SexTjx-dMqI/AAAAAAAAAbA/ON0xGQsOV8Q/s1600-h/Youtube-armenia1968-vagarir.JPG" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img alt="armenian genocide" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5326724333448278690" src="https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/SexTjx-dMqI/AAAAAAAAAbA/ON0xGQsOV8Q/s200/Youtube-armenia1968-vagarir.JPG" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; height: 150px; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; width: 154px;" /></a><br />
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These women and children in the picture are indeed Turkish women and children <a href="http://www.ermenisorunu.gen.tr/english/album/ana5.html">slaughtered by Armenians in Erzincan Vagarir</a> (in Ottoman Empire) on 16 February 1918. The original copy of the picture is in Turkish archives.<br />
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<a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/SexUdyUaknI/AAAAAAAAAbI/tqkQHqcuTng/s1600-h/vagarir.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img alt="armenian genocide" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5326725329972793970" src="https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/SexUdyUaknI/AAAAAAAAAbI/tqkQHqcuTng/s400/vagarir.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; display: block; height: 564px; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center; width: 500px;" /></a><br />
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<span style="font-style: italic;">(Bu fotoğraf , 16 Şubat 1918'de Turkiye Erzincan'da Vagarir ilçesinde Ermeniler tarafından katledilen Türklere aittir. Bu fotoğrafın orjinali Türk arşivlerindedir.)</span><br />
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<span style="font-weight: bold;">Fake Picture No: 5 <br />
Armenians slaughtered by Ottoman soldiers</span><br />
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<a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/Sexfwh_uEdI/AAAAAAAAAbQ/S_Di1d2hPWM/s1600-h/deadpeople-wikipedia.JPG"><img alt="armenian genocide" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5326737746636444114" src="https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/Sexfwh_uEdI/AAAAAAAAAbQ/S_Di1d2hPWM/s400/deadpeople-wikipedia.JPG" style="cursor: pointer; display: block; height: 343px; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center; width: 550px;" /></a><br />
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<a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/SexgTYwwFeI/AAAAAAAAAbY/vJQVbD5rrKI/s1600-h/sahte007.JPG"><img alt="armenian genocide" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5326738345453164002" src="https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/SexgTYwwFeI/AAAAAAAAAbY/vJQVbD5rrKI/s200/sahte007.JPG" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; height: 150px; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; width: 160px;" /></a><a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/SexgrFuRQ7I/AAAAAAAAAbg/subUWo5TrQU/s1600-h/deadpeople.JPG"><img alt="armenian genocide" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5326738752659342258" src="https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/SexgrFuRQ7I/AAAAAAAAAbg/subUWo5TrQU/s200/deadpeople.JPG" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; height: 150px; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; width: 160px;" /></a><a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/SexhQeNM0yI/AAAAAAAAAbo/7jXPg_GwioE/s1600-h/Youtube-seriusdudes-assyrian-white+army.JPG"><img alt="armenian genocide" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5326739394886685474" src="https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/SexhQeNM0yI/AAAAAAAAAbo/7jXPg_GwioE/s200/Youtube-seriusdudes-assyrian-white+army.JPG" style="cursor: pointer; float: left; height: 150px; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; width: 160px;" /></a><br />
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The uniforms of the soldiers in the pic belong <a href="http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/forgeries.htm">to Russian soldiers fighting in Russian Civil War after WW1</a> and not to Ottoman soldiers. This pic is not related to either Ottomans or Armenians. <br />
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<a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/SexlGmuILNI/AAAAAAAAAbw/gScyyTexaP4/s1600-h/sahte010-cossacks-whitearmy.JPG"><img alt="armenian genocide" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5326743623420095698" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/SexlGmuILNI/AAAAAAAAAbw/gScyyTexaP4/s400/sahte010-cossacks-whitearmy.JPG" style="cursor: pointer; display: block; height: 524px; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center; width: 550px;" /></a><br />
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<a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/SexlY8lvD5I/AAAAAAAAAb4/uKu5Ju4sZOk/s1600-h/AR27.jpg"><img alt="armenian genocide" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5326743938528120722" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/SexlY8lvD5I/AAAAAAAAAb4/uKu5Ju4sZOk/s400/AR27.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; display: block; height: 430px; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center; width: 550px;" /></a><br />
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</i><br /><i><span class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en"><span class="" title=""> Original printing of distorted photograph!</span></span></i><br />
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<i><span class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en"><span class="" title=""> </span></span><br />(Bu fotoğrafta gösterilen askerlerin üniformaları osmanlı askerlerine değil, 1. Dünya Savaşı sonrası Rus İç savaşındaki Rus askerlerine aittir. Bu fotoğrafın ne Türklerle ne de Ermenilerle bir ilişkisi yoktur.)</i><span class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en"><span class="" title=""><br /></span></span>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4034620263243830383.post-52062703157104337042009-04-02T07:19:00.000-07:002011-06-12T15:13:59.984-07:00Armenian Genocide Photos - Galerie 3So Called Armenian Genocide and Armenian Rebels <br />
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Click to link For <a href="http://angelsof1915.blogspot.com/2009/03/photo-galerie.html">Galerie 1 & Galerie 2</a>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4034620263243830383.post-60210432012175893162009-03-22T14:33:00.000-07:002011-06-12T15:05:06.869-07:00Armenian Refugees Movements And Genocide Claims<a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/Scayn3gkanI/AAAAAAAAARM/2OsHskqonmo/s1600-h/BlueBook1912,Toynbee.JPG"><img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 180px; height: 110px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/Scayn3gkanI/AAAAAAAAARM/2OsHskqonmo/s200/BlueBook1912,Toynbee.JPG" border="0" alt="Toynbee Blue Book"></a><br />
Many reputable sources account to 1.5 – 1.6 million of Armenian population within Ottoman Empire before WW1. Only the number provided by the Armenian Istanbul Patriarchate in 1912 is way above these general numbers, being around 2 million. Oddly, Patriarchate’s number is the only one taken into account in Toynbee’s Blue <br />
<a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/Sca2EPQLg4I/AAAAAAAAARU/bHVZDqgpW9s/s1600-h/BeforePeaceConference-1919-PopulationOfArmenians%C5%9Eehirler.JPG"><img style="float:left; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 200px; height: 122px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/Sca2EPQLg4I/AAAAAAAAARU/bHVZDqgpW9s/s200/BeforePeaceConference-1919-PopulationOfArmenians%C5%9Eehirler.JPG" border="0" alt="Nubar & Aharonian"; The Armenian Question Before The Peace Conference 1919""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5316136594087576450" /></a><br />
Book and in the declaration published by Boghos Nubar and A. Aharonian before Paris Peace Conference. <br />
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Patriarchate’s 2 million figure highly contradicts with the detailed population numbers provided by British H.F.B Lynch and French Vital Cuinet for the periods ending 19th century and beginning 20th century. When we look at the numbers given by Lynch and Cuinet, it’s easy to see that Patriarchate’s number for before WW1 is nearly 100% higher than the British and French sources for the periods ending 19th century and beginning 20th century which is nearly impossible considering populations can not rise by that much for over only 15 to 20 years. Also the number provided by Armenian Patriarchate for Muslim population in Ottoman Empire in 1912 is 20-30% lower than the other reputable sources.<br />
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<a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/Sca4aM6F39I/AAAAAAAAARc/wpyh_NJVwIE/s1600-h/Lynch-Vilayetler.jpg"><img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px ;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 142px; height: 200px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/Sca4aM6F39I/AAAAAAAAARc/wpyh_NJVwIE/s200/Lynch-Vilayetler.jpg" border="0" alt="Armenian Refugees 1915" "id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5316139170438438866"/></a><br />
In addition to sources of Lynch and Cuinet, many other reputable sources show that Armenian population with in Ottoman empire before WW1 was around 1.3-1.6 million.<br />
Hence in Lozan Peace Conference, 2 million figure introduced by the Armenians had been found quite an exaggeration and 1.6 million figure by David Magie had been taken into account.<br />
Another disinformation Ottoman Empire had been a victim of during WW1 about Ottoman Armenians is the number of Armenians that had been killed in Anatolia. It’s almost like this number had been introduced to an auction in last 100 years. ( Numbers given by the Red Cross is between 600.000 and 800.000, numbers given by Morgenthau is 1 million and today Armenian Diaspora claims the number to be around 1.5 to 2 million.<a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/ScbBLQEZFzI/AAAAAAAAARs/ZExqPb_IPQM/s1600-h/RedCrossMagazine-Mart1918.JPG"><img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 142px; height: 200px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/ScbBLQEZFzI/AAAAAAAAARs/ZExqPb_IPQM/s200/RedCrossMagazine-Mart1918.JPG" border="0"alt="Armenian Genocide" "id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5316148809193559858" /></a><a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/ScbCfInZZvI/AAAAAAAAAR0/0UV5luQB7gM/s1600-h/Morgenthau+Million+Armenians.jpg"><img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 140px; height: 200px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/ScbCfInZZvI/AAAAAAAAAR0/0UV5luQB7gM/s200/Morgenthau+Million+Armenians.jpg" border="0" alt="New York Times" "id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5316150250301908722" /></a><br />
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Some historians that support the Armenian Genocide allegations ignore this debate by saying that; ‘Numbers are meaningless, it’s the crime that matters’. There is no legal document that highlights or clarifies how many Armenians had died or had been killed under what conditions during 1915 phenomenon. Today the main allegation is that most Armenians (1.5 million to 2 million) had faced ethnic cleansing in Anatolian camps or North Syrian camps.<br />
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However when we look at legal documents with European or United Nations origins for the period commencing WW1 and ending 1924, we see just the opposite of these allegations. If we take into consideration the documents of Armenian Revolutionary Federation (Dashnaktsutiun) as well as Czardom Russia and Bolshevik Russia documents together with the above mentioned documents, we can see the mobility of Armenians together with how they ended up and their fates.<br />
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The most important official document indicating the ‘Armenian Armed Movements’ before WW1 is the 1910 speech given by the Armenian Revolutionary Federation ideologist Mikail Varangian (aka Warangian) in Copenhagen during Second Socialist International.<br />
<a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/ScbGosiya8I/AAAAAAAAASE/i3zLiJPnT-k/s1600-h/Armenian+Revolutionary+Federation.jpg"><img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 200px; height: 147px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/ScbGosiya8I/AAAAAAAAASE/i3zLiJPnT-k/s200/Armenian+Revolutionary+Federation.jpg" border="0" alt="Socialist Internationale Congress Armenian" "id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5316154812611587010" /></a><br />
The report shows that Dashnaktsutiun had organized and formed armed gangs in almost everywhere in Anatolia by adopting a terrorist movement. The report is in Belvedere archives.<br />
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Two other sources admitting the ‘Armenian Armed Movements’ that were seen long before WW1 are as follows:<br />
1- <a href="http://www.google.com.tr/url?q=http://armenians.1915.googlepages.com/DASHNAGTZOUTIUN.pdf&ei=3cjGSYq1BYLT-Abqyvn3Bg&sa=X&oi=spellmeleon_result&resnum=2&ct=result&cd=1&usg=AFQjCNEA4350TtGyOe3bGHHWAykUZ515zg">Manifesto of First Prime Minister Hovhannes Katzhaznouni </a>of Yerevan Dashnak Goverment published in Bucharest<br />
2- The article of <a href="http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2007/11/2187-book-excerpts-pastermadjians-why.html">First USA Ambassador of Armenia Garekin Pastırmacıyan called ‘Why Armenian Should Be Free</a> – Boston 1918’<br />
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The number of Armenians who had joined in these armed forces were around 200.000 as stated by Armenia Delegation Chairman Avetis Aharonian and World Armenians Delegation Chairman Boghos Nubar in Paris Peace Conference in 1919.<br />
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The act of organizing and arming these 200.000 Armenians was naturally not something that Armenians could manage on their own initiatives financially and technically. The Armenian armed gangs were supported directly by Czardom Russia, Britain and France before WW1.<br />
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Two years before WW1 on 26th November, 1912, the confidential report sent by Russian Ambassador Zinovyev in İstanbul to Minister of Foreign Affairs of Russia S. D. Sazanov included the following (Russian State Archives, Politics Department, nr 117/293):<br />
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<em>‘According to the information provided by our Van, Beyazıd, Erzurum, Trabzon Consulates, the Armenians living in these cities are on Russian side and are waiting for our armies’.</em> <em>[RussianStateArchives/political section n.117/293]</em><br />
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As paralel to what stated above, the riots of Armenian armed gangs resulted in Russians occupying Van at the beginning of WW1.<br />
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Van tradegy was described as follows in the telegraph sent by German Ambassador in İstanbul Hans Von Wangenheim to Ministery of Foreign Affairs of Germany on 10th May, 1915:<br />
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<em>‘Armenians in the city of Van started rioting and started to attack Muslim villages and the castle. The Turkish headquarters in the castle had lost 300 soldiers and as a result of the street combats for days, the rebels took over the city. Russia occupied the city on 17th May, 1915. Armenians sided with Russia afterwards and started to massacre Muslims. Approximately 80.000 Muslims around Bitlis started to flee.</em> <em>[Wangenheim,Deutschisches und Armenien 1914-1918,Postdam 1919 p.65]</em><br />
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The massacres of Muslims by Armenians were also documented in Czardom Russia archives. A report sent by Russian Commander Brigadier Bolhovitinov in Caucasus to headquarters on 11th December, 1915 included the following:<br />
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<em>‘The Armenian Volunteer Legions had killed Muslims brutally with racist motives.’</em> <em>[Brigadier General Leonid Bolhovitinov's Report,1915,Russian Military History Archives (RGVIA) fond2100,list1,folder557,p.303-307]</em><br />
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While these tradegies were taking place in East Anatolia, Russian, British and French were helping Armenians getting armed in East Mediterranean.<br />
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The telegraph dated 5th November, 1914 sent by Francois George Picot and French Middle Ambassador Defrance of Egypt stated:<br />
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<em>‘Greece accepted to send 15.000 rifles and 2 million bullets to the volunteer legions in Syria and in a possible intervention of France in Syria there are 30.000 – 35.000 volunteers readily avaliable to side with France in the region’</em>. <em>[Guerre Mondiale Turquie Vol.867 XCIII-document 237,Legion d'Orient 1914-1918]</em><br />
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The report sent by the French Admiral in Syrian shore to the British military headquarters in Egypt indicated that the riot in Cilicia had lasted for over one month as of 28th May, 1915 and a total of 300 Turkish gendarmes had been killed.<br />
<em>[U.K.Archives W.O. 157/691/8, 28 April 1915,Cairo]</em><br />
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The memorandum sent by Russian Ambassador to British Ministry of Foreign Affairs on 24th Feb, 1915 expressed that an Armenian from Cilicia had contacted Kont Warentzoff Dachkoff in Caucasus and had indicated that they had gathered a force of 15.000 to raid the transportation lines of the Turkish Army but that they had not had enough arms and arsenal to perform and those could have been provided by British and French over through Alexandretta Harbour. <em>[U.K. Archives F.O. 371/2484 No.22083,15 Feb.1915]</em><br />
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<strong>As can be seen clearly from documents and information like the ones mentioned above, Armenian Dashnak Forces were committing war crimes behind the battles when Ottoman Empire called all men to the army to fight in Çanakkale, Palestine and Caucasus battles. This situation resulted in Ottoman Empire deciding to relocate Armenians in war zones as well as Armenians in Anatolia who were working for Dashnak Party to Syrian region.</strong><br />
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The ones claiming that there is a genocide are accusing Ottoman Empire of ethnically cleansing 1.5 million Armenians in the Empire with the application of this relocation decision dated 27th May, 1915.<br />
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Many official documents were obtained in relation to the fate of Armenians forced to relocate during WW1 and after which were highly contradicting with the idea of a genocide.<br />
<a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/ScbeISm5onI/AAAAAAAAASU/oSfZXxFDrNg/s1600-h/Buxton-TravelAndPoliticsInArmenia-Refugees1914.JPG"><img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 142px; height: 250px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/ScbeISm5onI/AAAAAAAAASU/oSfZXxFDrNg/s320/Buxton-TravelAndPoliticsInArmenia-Refugees1914.JPG" border="0" alt="Armenian Refugees 1915" "id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5316180644172767858" /></a><br />
Although Ottoman Empire decided to relocate Armenians in above mentioned locations, Batumi Ambassador of Britain P. Stevens indicated that many Armenians were not even subject to obligatory relocation and were taken away by Russians to Caucasus in the report he sent to London on 25th Feb, 1916. <em>[Halaçoğlu,Ermeniler:Sürgün Ve Göç,p.84-85]</em><br />
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<em>[Photo: Armenian Refugees From Turkey arrived in Russia,<strong>1914</strong>- Harold Buxton;Travel & Politics in Armenia,1914]</em><br />
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This is also confirmed in the report of British Lord Major Found which he wrote about 1915. 250.000 Armenians moved to Caucasus Armenia from Anatolia fighting against illnesses and war conditions. <em>[U.K.FO 96/205]</em><br />
<a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/ScbhlHEB4VI/AAAAAAAAASc/cR1sFLwiTRo/s1600-h/Major1.jpg"><img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 107px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/ScbhlHEB4VI/AAAAAAAAASc/cR1sFLwiTRo/s400/Major1.jpg" border="0" alt="Armenian Refuugees 1915" "id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5316184437824807250" /></a><br />
<a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/ScbjcwYP_eI/AAAAAAAAASk/gh8PTSXwii8/s1600-h/FromBoghosNubar.jpg"><img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 200px; height: 150px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/ScbjcwYP_eI/AAAAAAAAASk/gh8PTSXwii8/s200/FromBoghosNubar.jpg" border="0" alt="Boghos Nubar" "id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5316186493319904738" /></a><br />
250.000 figure was confirmed in the report sent by Armenian National Delegation Chairman Boghos Nubar to Ministry of Foreign Affairs of France in addition to the figure of 40.000 Ottoman Armenians being in Iran.<br />
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When we can reasonably confirm that 250.000 Ottoman Armenians arriving at Caucasus and 40.000 Ottoman Armenians arriving at Iran at the beginning of WW1, we also obtain some other related information from US National Archives: American Counsel J. B. Jackson of Aleppo indicated in the letter he sent to American Ambassador Henry Morgenthau in İstanbul(<strong>8February1916</strong>)<a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/ScbmCAwPMtI/AAAAAAAAASs/UQIkg1ZdKZY/s1600-h/US+Archives+State+Department+Record+Group+59,+867.48-271.jpg"><img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 120px; height: 106px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/ScbmCAwPMtI/AAAAAAAAASs/UQIkg1ZdKZY/s200/US+Archives+State+Department+Record+Group+59,+867.48-271.jpg" border="0" alt="Armenian Refugees""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5316189332393898706" /></a> that 486.000 Armenians were located in the camps between Aleppo and Damascus and there were two charities helping the migrants. <em>[U.S. Archives State Department Record Group 59,867.48/271]</em><br />
<em><strong>[---The ones claiming that there was a genocide can not answer the question of why Ottoman Goverment allowed American charities or American ambassadors to help the Ottoman Armenian refugees located in camps between Aleppo and Damascus, locations which were under the control of Ottoman Goverment back then.---]</strong></em><br />
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We can provide more detailed information related to Armenian refugees in Caucasus and Syria from documents obtained after WW1.<br />
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WW1 ended with Mondros Armistice signed on 30th October, 1918 for Ottoman Empire. In 1918 after the war when the Bolshevik Revolution was over, the massacres of Muslim civilians in East and South East Anatolia by Armenian Dashnak Goverment which was continuing to fight, reached the maximum possible. In the same year, Cilicia was <br />
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Occupied by the French (on 24th December, 1918). It is seen that after Cilicia was occupied by the French, some Armenian refugees in Syria were relocated here.<br />
<em>[Photo:George R. Swain(Adana/Turkey). Francis W. Kelsey and Near East Expedition of 1919-1920]</em><br />
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<a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/Scb5e0dkD6I/AAAAAAAAAS8/cC-jg9yYNlc/s1600-h/NARA,+T+1192+R2.+860J.01-395+Syf1.jpg"><img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 105px; height: 150px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/Scb5e0dkD6I/AAAAAAAAAS8/cC-jg9yYNlc/s200/NARA,+T+1192+R2.+860J.01-395+Syf1.jpg" border="0" alt="Armenian Refugees 1915""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5316210718031482786" /></a><a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/Scb7DMp5pMI/AAAAAAAAATE/KwRIQJIgcnU/s1600-h/NARA,+T+1192+R2.+860J.01-395+Syf2.jpg"><img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 105px; height: 150px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/Scb7DMp5pMI/AAAAAAAAATE/KwRIQJIgcnU/s200/NARA,+T+1192+R2.+860J.01-395+Syf2.jpg" border="0" alt="Armenian Refugges 1915""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5316212442512598210" /></a><br />
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However we obtain the exact number of Armenians living under Ottoman Empire after WW1 from the official document presented to the US by İstanbul American High Council. This document is in US National Archives and was confirmed by İstanbul Armenian Patriarchate.<br />
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<a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/Scb727hqBwI/AAAAAAAAATM/T6YTlkl2pPY/s1600-h/NARA,+T+1192+R2.+860J.01-395+Syf3.jpg"><img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 105px; height: 150px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/Scb727hqBwI/AAAAAAAAATM/T6YTlkl2pPY/s200/NARA,+T+1192+R2.+860J.01-395+Syf3.jpg" border="0" alt="Armenian Refugees 1915""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5316213331267815170" /></a><a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/Scb8c8RsG7I/AAAAAAAAATU/0ZWpPeembWk/s1600-h/NARA,+T+1192+R2.+860J.01-395+Syf4.jpg"><img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 105px; height: 150px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/Scb8c8RsG7I/AAAAAAAAATU/0ZWpPeembWk/s200/NARA,+T+1192+R2.+860J.01-395+Syf4.jpg" border="0" alt="Armenian Genocide""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5316213984304307122" /></a><br />
According to this official document, there were 624.900 Armenians living under Ottoman Empire in 1921. We also know that apparently around 200.000 were located in Cilicia (in Adana, Antep, Maraş etc.) which was under French control.<br />
<em>[U.S. Archives NARA, T 1192 R2.860J01/395]</em><br />
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This document shows that there were 624.900 Armenians under Ottoman borders after WW1 until these Armenians were refugees again.<br />
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<a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/Scb_D2JMgvI/AAAAAAAAATc/FuAjKvxtAms/s1600-h/Armenian+refugees+on+Black+Sea+beach,+gathered+around+seated+person,+Novorossiisk,+Russia-Photo-Floyd.G.P-1920.jpg"><img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 350px; height: 301px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/Scb_D2JMgvI/AAAAAAAAATc/FuAjKvxtAms/s400/Armenian+refugees+on+Black+Sea+beach,+gathered+around+seated+person,+Novorossiisk,+Russia-Photo-Floyd.G.P-1920.jpg" border="0" alt="Armenian Refugees in Russia""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5316216851696222962" /></a>There is also another visual document related to Armenians obtained for these years. The photo of Armenian refugees living in Novorossisk (Black Sea shore – South Russia) taken by G. P. Lloyd is in Frank Carpenter archives and it was taken in 1920. Unfortunately we can not obtain any information related to the number of Armenian refugees in Novorossik.<br />
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It is discussed in the Near East Relief Report dated 31st December, 1921 that around 500.000 Armenian refugees in Dashnak Goverment in Yerevan (which was in Caucasus) were being provided aid.<br />
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<em>[Report Of The Near East Relief,For The Year Ending 31 December 1921, Washington Government Printing office 1922]</em><br />
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The exact number of Armenian refugees who went to Armenia during the Turkish – Armenian War which started with WW1 and ended with Gümrü Treaty signed on 3rd December, 1920 and Bolshevik Russians occupying Armenia on 4th December, 1920, was provided by Fridjof Nansen, Refugees High Commissar of League of Nations.<br />
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<a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/SccCouZlbpI/AAAAAAAAATs/RlwuUCCmCDM/s1600-h/LoN-Assembly-EighthMeeting19September1928.JPG"><img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 500px; height: 50px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/SccCouZlbpI/AAAAAAAAATs/RlwuUCCmCDM/s400/LoN-Assembly-EighthMeeting19September1928.JPG" border="0" alt="Armenian Genocide""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5316220783807524498" /></a><br />
Fridjof Nansen indicated that 400.000 of the 1 million population of Yerevan Armenian Goverment was comprised of refugees who came during the war as answer to the question of an Indian representative during the 8th meeting of League of Nations held on 19th October, 1928.<br />
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Even if Fridjof Nansen did not give any indications related to the number of Armenians in whole Caucasus or South Russia, he definitely indicated that 400.000 Ottoman Armenians moved to Caucasus Armenia.<br />
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Meanwhile the Ankara Treaty signed between France and Ankara government resulting in France withdrawing from Cilicia also resulted in 200.000 Armenians leaving the region (who were located there before) and migrating to other countries without ever coming back. 500.000 Muslims being massacred by Armenian Armed Forces in Anatolia made it impossible for the Armenians and Turks living together.<br />
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<a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/SccExwv2FLI/AAAAAAAAAT0/e8cxT6VLZME/s1600-h/D%C3%BCnyadaki+Ermenilerin+yakla%C5%9F%C4%B1k+say%C4%B1s%C4%B1,+Kas%C4%B1m+1922,+NARA+867.4016--816.jpg"><img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 124px; height: 200px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/SccExwv2FLI/AAAAAAAAAT0/e8cxT6VLZME/s200/D%C3%BCnyadaki+Ermenilerin+yakla%C5%9F%C4%B1k+say%C4%B1s%C4%B1,+Kas%C4%B1m+1922,+NARA+867.4016--816.jpg" border="0" alt="Armenian Population""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5316223138079839410" /></a><br />
The document about the ‘Armenian Population Around The World’ dated 1922 and included in US National Archives gives information about the Armenian emigration that started with the French withdrawing from Cilicia. We can follow the refugee movements of the 624.900 Armenians in Ottoman Empire beginning 1921 with the help of the activities of League of Nations.<br />
<em>[U.S. Archives, NARA 867.4016/816.Janunary 10,1923]</em><br />
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<a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/SccGuRwgxsI/AAAAAAAAAUE/9sG0_Jlh5e8/s1600-h/Lozan+Ermeni+Delegasyonundan+LeagueOfnation-aBildiri.JPG"><img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 214px; height: 220px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/SccGuRwgxsI/AAAAAAAAAUE/9sG0_Jlh5e8/s320/Lozan+Ermeni+Delegasyonundan+LeagueOfnation-aBildiri.JPG" border="0" alt="Armenian Genocide Delegation""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5316225277244786370" /></a><br />
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This refugee movement was also indicated in the declaration prepared by Armenian National Delegation for Lausanne Treaty on 2nd February, 1923.<br />
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<em>[League Of Nation,Armenia, Geneva, February 2nd.1923, 0.153. M.56 1923 VII]</em><br />
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<strong>CONCLUSION:</strong><br />
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From the beginning of WW1 to 1921, there were 624.900 Armenians in Ottoman Empire, at least 400.000 in Yerevan Armenia and finally at least 40.000 in Iran. Unfortunately we can not conclude as to how many Ottoman Armenians immigrated to South Russia, Georgia, Egypt, Greece, USA or Europe.<br />
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<strong>However the most certain thing we get out of all these documents is that the Armenian population which was around 1.6 million before WW1 was at least around 1.1 million after WW1.</strong><br />
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<a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/SccKGQQThKI/AAAAAAAAAUM/9Q4Wsq35VxQ/s1600-h/NationalGeographice-November1919-20.000ArmenianRefugeesInTiflis.JPG"><img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 320px; height: 163px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/SccKGQQThKI/AAAAAAAAAUM/9Q4Wsq35VxQ/s320/NationalGeographice-November1919-20.000ArmenianRefugeesInTiflis.JPG" border="0" alt="National Geographic""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5316228987693008034" /></a><a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/SccKnYI2tUI/AAAAAAAAAUU/EznlcPlsRFo/s1600-h/NationalGeographice-November1919-ArmenianRefugeesInTiflis.JPG"><img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 100px; height: 80px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/SccKnYI2tUI/AAAAAAAAAUU/EznlcPlsRFo/s200/NationalGeographice-November1919-ArmenianRefugeesInTiflis.JPG" border="0" alt="Armenian Refugees In Tiflis""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5316229556744926530" /></a><br />
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<a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/ScfONjWjjsI/AAAAAAAAAUk/ZqLwyY9uN5Y/s1600-h/TheRepublicOfArmenia_Lodge1919.JPG"><img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 308px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/ScfONjWjjsI/AAAAAAAAAUk/ZqLwyY9uN5Y/s400/TheRepublicOfArmenia_Lodge1919.JPG" border="0" alt="Armenian Refugees"id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5316444617357627074" /></a><br />
<em>[The Republic Of Armenia--A Memorandum , On The Recognition Of The Government Of The Republic Of Armenia, Submitted By The Special Mission Of The Republic Of Armenia To The United States-- Presented By Mr. Lodge,November 10,1919, Washington,Government Printing Office 1919]</em><br />
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<strong>GÖÇ EDEN OSMANLI ERMENİLERİNİN AKİBETİ VE SOYKIRIM İDDİASI</strong><br />
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Birinci Dünya Savaşı öncesinde Osmanlı İmparatorluğu sınırları içinde yaşayan Ermenilerin sayıları hakkında verilen ciddi rakamların çoğunluğu 1.5-1.6 milyon arasındadır.Sadece İstanbul Ermeni Patrikhanesi'nin 1912 yılında verdiği rakam , bu genel rakamların çok üzerinde, 2 milyon u bulmaktadır.Patrikhane'nin bu değerleri, hem Toynbee'nin Mavi Kitap'ı ve hemde Paris Barış Konferansı öncesi, Boghos Nubar ve A. Aharonian iklisinin yayınladığı bildiride kullanılır.<br />
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Patrikhane'nin bu 2 milyon rakamı , 19. yy sonu-20.yy başı itibariyle İngiliz H.F.B Lynch ve Fransız Vital Cuinet'in verdiği detaylı nüfus değerleri ile oldukça çelişkilidir.Lynch ve Cuinet'in verdiği rakamlara bakıldığında, Patrikhane'nin verdiği nüfus değerlerinin hemen hemen %100 fazla olduğu anlaşılır ve 15-20 yıl içinde hiçbir insan populasyonu doğal yollardan bu kadar artamaz.Ayrıca İstanbul Ermeni Patrikhanesi'nin 1912 yılında, Müslümanlara ait nüfus sayılarında ise %20-30 oranında bir eksilme görülmektedir.<br />
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Lynch ve Cuinet'e ek olarak birçok kaynakta da, Birinci Dünya Savaşı öncesi için Osmanlı sınırlarındaki Ermenilerin sayısı <br />
1.3-1.6 milyon civarında verilmektedir.<br />
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Keza Lozan Barış Konferansı'nda da , Ermeni Patrikhanesi'nin 2 milyon rakamı çok abartılı bulunarak, David Magie tarafından hazırlanan ve Ermenilerin sayısını 1.6 milyon olarak veren nüfus istatistiği kabul edilmiştir.<br />
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Birinci Dünya Savaşı'nda, Osmanlı Ermenileri hakkında bilimsel olmayan bilgi dezenfermasyonunun bolluğu içinde karşımıza çıkan diğer bir konu ise,Birinci Dünya Savaşı boyunca hayatını kaybeden Anadolu Ermenileri'nin sayısıdır.Bu konu geçen 100 yıl içinde sanki açık arttırmaya çıkmış gibidir. (Kızılhaç 600-800 bin rakamı, Morgenthau 1 milyon, bugünün Ermeni Diasporası ise 1.5-2 milyon kayıptan bahseder)<br />
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''Ermeni Soykırımı'' iddiasında bulunan bazı tarihçiler, bu sayılar hakkında ''ne kadar insanın öldüğünün ne önemi var,önemli olan suçun kendisidir'' diyerek, konuyu geçiştirmektedirler.1915 fenomeni içinde ne kadar Osmanlı Ermenisi'nin hangi koşullar altında öldüğü ya da öldürüldüğünün hukuki bir belgesi yoktur.Bugün itibariyle genel iddia, 1.5 (ya da 2) milyon Ermeni'nin,<br />
Anadolu'da veya Kuzey Suriye'deki kamplarda etnik temizliğe tabii tutulduğu üzerinedir.<br />
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Halbuki 1.Dünya Savaşı'ndan 1924 lere kadar olan,Avrupa ve Birleşik Devletler kaynaklı resmi belgeler bize bu iddiaların tam tersi şeyleri söylemektedir.Bu belgelere , Ermeni Devrimci Federasyonu'na (Dashnakzutiun) ait bazı belgeler ile Çarlık Rusyası ve Bolşevik Rusya'ya ait belgeleri de eklediğimizde, Osmanlı Ermenileri'nin hareketliliğini ve akibetlerini genel bir kesinlikle görüyoruz.<br />
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1.Dünya Savaşı öncesi, Ermeni Silahlı hareketlerinin tarih ititbariyle en önemli ve resmi belgesi, Ermeni devrimci Federasyonu'nun (Dasnakzutiun) ideolojisti Mikail Varangian(or Warangian) ın 1910 yılında Kopenhag'taki 2. Sosyalist İnternasyonal'e verdiği rapordur.<br />
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Raporda bizzat, Dashnakzutiun'un Anadolu'nun hemen her yerleşiminde örgütlendikleri ve silahlı çeteler oluşturarak, terörist eylem biçimini benimsedikleri ifade edilmektedir.Bu rapor Belvedere arşivlerindedir.<br />
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1.Dünya savaşı'ndan çok önce başlayan Ermeni Silahlı organizasyonlarını itiraf eden diğer iki kaynak ise, Erivan Taşnak Hükümeti'nin ilk Başbakanı Hovhannes Katzhaznouni'nin Bükreş'te yayınlanan manifestosu ve Ermenistan'ın ilk Abd Büyükelçisi Karekin Pastırmacıyan'ın ''Ermenistan niçin özgür olmalı''(Why Armenia Should Be Free-Boston 1918) yazılarıdır.<br />
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Keza bu silahlı hareketlere katılan Ermenilerin sayısı, hem 1919'da Paris Barış Konferansı'nda Ermenistan Delegasyon Başkanı Avetis Aharonian ve hem de Dünya Ermenileri Delegasyon Başkanı Boghos Nubar'ın söylediği üzere 200.000 civarındadır.<br />
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Doğal Olarak bu 200.000 kişilik silahlı Ermeni Çetelerin silahlandırılması ve yönetilmesi eylemi, Ermenilerin kendi insiyatifleriyle gerçekleştirebilecekleri teknik ve finansal bir eylem değildir.Ermeni silahlı çeteleri 1.Dünya Savaşı öncesinde bizzat Çarlık Rusyası,İngiltere ve Fransa tarafından desteklenmiştir.<br />
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Keza savaştan 2 yıl önce, 26 Kasım 1912 tarihinde, Rusya'nın İstanbul Büyükelçisi Zinovyev'in Rusya Dışişleri Bakanı S.D. Sazanov'a gönderdiği gizli raporda( Rusya Devlet Arşivi,Siyasi Bölüm,nr 117/293);<br />
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''Van;Beyazıd;Erzurum,Trabzon konsolosluklarımızın bildirdiklerine göre, bu vilayetlerdeki Ermenilerin hepsi Rusya tarafındadırlar ve bizim ordularımızı bekliyorlar'' denilmektedir.<br />
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Bunu gelişmeleri takiben 1.Dünya Savaşı'nın başlangıcında, Ermeni silahlı çetelerinin isyan faaliyeti Rusların Van İlini işgal etmesiyle sonuçlanır.<br />
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İstanbul Alman Büyükelçisi Hans von Wangenheim tarafından Alman Dışişleri Bakanlığı'na gönderilen 10 Mayıs 1915 tarihli telgrafta, ''Van Trajedisi'' şu şekilde anlatılır:<br />
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''Van vilayetindeki Ermeniler ayaklanmışlar,müslüman köylere ve kaleye saldırıya geçmişlerdir.Kaledeki Türk garnizonu 300 kayıp vermiş,günlerce devam eden sokak muharebeleri sonunda şehir asilerin eline geçmiştir. 17 Mayıs 1915'te de Van Ruslar tarafından işgal edilmiştir.Ermeniler Rus tarafına geçmiş ve müslümanları katle başlamışlardır.Bitlis istikametinde 80.000 müslüman kaçmaya başlamıştır.''<br />
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Ermeni çetelerinin katliamları Çarlık Rusyası arşivlerinde de belgelenmiştir.Kafkas Cephesinde görevli Rus komutan Tuğgeneral Bolhovitinov, 11 Aralık 1915'te karargaha gönderdiği raporda;<br />
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''Ermeni Gönüllü Birliklerinin ırkçı duygularla Müslüman Halka karşı vahşi katliamlar yaptı'' der.<br />
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Doğu Anadolu'da bu trajedi yaşanırken, Doğu Akdeniz'de Rus-İngiliz ve Fransızlar tarafından bölgedeki Ermeniler silahlandırılmaktadır.<br />
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Francois George Picot ve Fransa Mısır Orta Elçisi Defrance'ın 5 Kasım 1914 tarihini taşıyan telgrafta;<br />
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''Yunanistan'ın Suriye'deki gönüllü kuvvetlere 15.000 tüfek ve 2 milyon mermi yollamayı kabul ettiği ve Fransa'nın Suriye'ye müdahelesi durumunda, burada 30-35.000 gönüllünün bulunduğu'' ifade edilmektedir. <br />
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Mısır'da ki İngiliz askeri karargahına Suriye kıyısındaki Fransız Amiralinden gelen rapor;<br />
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''28 Nisan 1915 tarihine kadar Zeytun'daki (Cilicia) isyan bir aydır devam etmektedir ve toplam 300 Türk jandarması öldürülmüştür.''<br />
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Rus Büyükelçisi'nin İngiliz Dışişleri Bakanlığı'na yazdığı 24 Şubat 1915 tarihli memorandumda ;<br />
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''Zeytun'lu bir Ermeni'nin Kafkasya'da Kont Warentzoff_Dachkoff ile temas kurduğu, Türk ordularının ulaşım hatlarına baskın yapmak üzere 15.000 kişilik bir kuvvet topladıkları ancak silah ve cephanelerinin yeterli olmadığı, ingiliz ve Fransızlar tarafından İskenderun Limanı üzerinden bunun yapılabileceği ...'' anlatılır.<br />
Buna benzer birçok belge ve yazışmadan da anlaşılacağı gibi, Osmanlı İmparatorluğu WW1 Savaşı başlangıcında Çanakkale, Filistin, ve Kafkasya cephesinde savaşmak üzere ülkedeki erkekleri askere almışken, Ermeni Taşnak birlikleri cephe gerisinde savaş hukukuna aykırı eylem ve katliamlara girişmişlerdir.Bu durum Osmanlı Devleti'nin savaş bölgelerindeki ermeniler ile tüm Anadolu'daki Taşnak Partisi ile bağlantılı Ermenilerin Suriye bölgesine tehciri kararını almasıyla sonuçlanmıştır.<br />
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İşte ''soykırım'' iddilarını öne sürenler 27 Mayıs 1915 tarihli bu tehcir kararı uygulamasıyla 1.5 milyon ermeninin, Osmanlı Devleti tarafından etnik temizliğe tabii tutulduğunu iddia etmektedirler.<br />
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1.Dünya Savaşı esnasında ve sonraki yıllarda tehcire maruz kalan Ermenilerin akibeti ile ilgili olarak, '' soykırım'' iddialarının aksine , çok farklı resmi belgeler ortaya çıkmaktadır.<br />
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Ermenilerle ilgili olarak Osmanlı devleti'nin tehcir kararı almasına rağmen, ingiltere'nin Batum Konsolosu P. Stevens'ın Londra'ya gönderdiği 25 Şubat 1916 tarihli raporda; çok sayıda Ermeninin zorunlu göçe tabii tutulmadığı ve Ruslar tarafından Kafkasya'ya götürüldüğü ifade edilmektedir.<br />
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Bu durumu İngiliz Lord Major Found'un 1915 yılına ait raporuda tasdik eder. 250.000 Ermeni bu yıllarda Türkiye'den Kafkasya Ermenistan'ına geçmiş ve savaş koşullarında hastalıklarla mücadele etmektedirler.<br />
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Aynı bilgiyi Ermeni Milli Delegasyon Başkanı Boghos Nubar'ın Fransız Dışişleri Bakanlığı'na gönderdiği yazıda 250.000 rakamı teyit edildiği gibi İran'da da 40.000 Osmanlı Ermenisinin bulunduğu bilgisi verilir.<br />
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1. Dünya Savaşı'nın ilk yıllarında Kafkasya'ya 250.000, İran'a 40.000 Ermeni'nin gittiği bilgisine ulaşırken başka bir bilgi de Amerikan Ulusal Arşivlerinden çıkıyor.<br />
Amerikan Halep Valisi J.B. jackson'un 8 Şubat 1916'da Amerikanın İstanbul Büyükelçisi Henry Morgenthau'ya gönderdiği raporda, Halep ve Şam arasındaki bölgede Osmanlı'nın tehcir ettiği 486.000 Ermeni göçmenin kamplarda bulunduğu ve iki yardım kuruluşu tarafından bu göçmenlere yardım edildiği bildiriliyor.<br />
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--- Bu rapora baktığımızda ''soykırım'' iddiasını ileri sürenlerin, o yıllarda Osmanlı kontrolündeki Halep ve şam bölgesinde, Ermeni mültecilere yardım için niçin Amerikan Yardım Kuruluşlarına ve Amerikan Elçisine izin verildiği sorusuna cevapları yoktur.---<br />
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Hem Kafkasya ve hemde Suriye'deki Ermeni mülteciler hakkındaki daha detaylı bilgilere savaş sonrasında ortaya çıkan bilgilerden öğreniyoruz.<br />
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Osmanlı İmparatorluğu için 1.Dünya Savaşı 30 Ekim 1918 de imzalanan Mondros Mütarekesi ile sona erer. 1918'de savaş bittiğinde, Bolşevik Devriminden sonra savaşa devam eden Ermeni Taşnak Hükümeti'nin Doğu ve Güneydoğu Anadolu'da sivil halka karşı gerçekleştirdiği katliamlar doruk noktasına çıkar.Aynı yıl içinde Çukurova (cilicia)<br />
Bölgesi Fransa tarafından işgal edilir.(24Aralık1918).Çukurova'nın (Cilicia) Fransızlar tarafından işgalinden sonra, Suriye'deki Ermeni göçmenlerin bir bölümünün buraya yerleştirildiğini anlıyoruz.<br />
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Ama 1. Dünya Savaşı sonrası Osmanlı İmparatorluğu içindeki Ermenilerin tam sayısını, Amerikan Ulusal Arşivlerinde bulunan; Birleşik Devletlere, İstanbul Amerikan Yüksek Komisyonunca sunulan ve İstanbul Ermeni Patrikhanesi tarafından da onaylanan resmi belgeden anlıyoruz.<br />
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Bu belgeye göre 1921 yılında Osmanlı İmparatorluğu sınırları içinde 624.900 Ermeni yaşamaktadır.Ve görünen o ki, 200.000 kadar Ermeni Fransız kontrolündeki Cilicia (Adana-Antep-Maraş vs) bölgesine yerleştirilmiştir.<br />
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Bu belge ile , 1. Dünya Savaşı sonrası , Osmanlı sınırları içindeki Ermenilerin, tekrar göçmen durumuna düşmesine kadar ki tam sayıları 624.900 dür.<br />
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Bu yıllarda ortaya çıkan diğer bir fotoğrafik belge de 1920 yılına ait Frank carpenter arşivinde bulunan ve G.P. Lloyd tarfından çekilen, Novorossik'teki(Karadeniz Kıyısı-Güney Rusya) Ermeni Mültecilere ait fotoğraflardır.Malesef Novorossik'teki Ermeni Mültecilere ait sayısal bir değere ulaşamıyoruz.<br />
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Kafkasya'da Erivan Taşnak Hükümeti sınırları içindeki mülteci sayısı hakkında ise, 31 Aralık 1921 tarihli Near East Relief raporunda, 500.000 kişiye yardım edildiğinden bahsedilir.<br />
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1.Dünya Savaşı ile başlayıp 3 Aralık 1920 deki Gümrü Antlaşması' na kadar süren ve ertesi gün, 4 Aralık 1920'de Ermenistan'ın Bolşevikler tarafından işgal edilmesiyle tamamen son bulan Türk-Ermeni Savaşı boyunca, Ermenistan'a giden Ermeni Mültecilerin tam sayısını, Milletler Cemiyeti (League of Nations) Mülteciler Yüksek Komiseri Fridjof Nansen net olarak söylüyor.<br />
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Milletler Cemiyeti'nin 19 Ekim 1928 tarihli sekizinci oturumunda Hindistan temsilcisinin sorusuna verdiği cevapta , ''Erivan Ermeni Hükümeti'nin 1.000.000 luk nüfusunun 400.000 inin savaş boyunca gelen mültecilerden oluştuğunu söylüyor.<br />
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Bu belgeden bütün Kafkasya ve Güney Rusya'daki Ermenilerin sayısını öğrenemesek bile, Ermenistan'a 400.000 Osmanlı Ermenisi'nin geçiş yaptığını öğreniyoruz.<br />
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Diğer taraftan Fransa'nın 20 Ekim 1921 tarihinde Ankara Hükümeti ile yaptığı anlaşma ile , Fransızların Çukurova'dan (Cilicia) çekilmesi, Çukuroava'ya geri dönen 200.000 kadar Ermeni'nin, geri dönmemek üzere başka ülkelere mülteci olarak yerleşmesi sonucunu doğurdu.Anadolu'da Ermeni Silahlı Birlikleri tarafından öldürülen 500.000 den fazla Müslüman olması, artık Ermeniler ile Müslümanların birlikte yaşayamayacağı sonucunu doğuruyordu.<br />
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Fransızların Çukurova'dan çekilmesiyle başlayan Ermeni göçü hakkında, Amerikan Ulusal arşivlerindeki 1922 tarihli , ''Dünya'daki Ermeni Populasyonu' nu gösteren belge, bize bu konuda bilgi veriyor. 1921 yılı başlarında Osmanlı sınırları içindeki 624.900 Ermeni'nin, Milletler Cemiyeti'ninde faaliyetleriyle ilk mülteci hareketlerini bu şekilde izliyoruz.<br />
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Bu hareketlilik, 2 Şubat 1923 tarihinde, Ermeni Milli Delegasyonu'nun, Lozan Konferansı için hazırladığı bildiride de yine teyit edilir.<br />
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Dünya Savaşının başlangıcından 1921 yılına kadar ;<br />
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Osmanlı İmparatorluğu'nun sınırları içinde 624.900 , Erivan Ermenistan'ınanda en az 400.000, İran'da en az 40.000 Osmanlı Ermenisi bulunmaktadır.1914 ile 1921 yılları arasında, Güney Rusya,Gürcistan,Mısır,Yunanistan,Abd ve Avrupa'ya ne kadar Osmanlı Ermenisi'nin göç ettiği hakkında net bir rakama ulaşamıyoruz.<br />
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Ama bu belgelerden öğrendiğimiz en kesin şey, savaş öncesinde sayıları 1.6 milyon olan Osmanlı Ermenileri'nin , savaş sonunda en az 1.1 milyonunun hayatta olduğudur.Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4034620263243830383.post-57262488651031802902009-03-05T11:59:00.000-08:002011-06-12T14:48:59.446-07:00Armenian Genocide Photo Galerie 1-2<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh186/LDDnonstop/Armenians%201915/armenian_genocide30.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left:1em; margin-right:1em" alt="Armenian Genocide Photos"><img border="0" height="768" width="477" src="http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh186/LDDnonstop/Armenians%201915/armenian_genocide30.jpg" /></a></div><br />
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<b>Armenian Genocide Ballyhoo <br />
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<b>Armenian Genocide Tale <br />
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Captain Emory Niles and Mr. Arthur Sutherland were Americans ordered by the United States Government (in 1919) to investigate the situation in eastern Anatolia. Their report was to be used as the basis for granting relief aid to the Armenians by the American Committee for Near East Relief.<br />
<em>U.S. National Archives 184.021/175</em><br />
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<a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/SZNU5ZLQFEI/AAAAAAAAAQ4/sdrlJOtm0R8/s1600-h/Niles_Sutherland.jpg"><img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 240px; height: 400px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_53G-j355klQ/SZNU5ZLQFEI/AAAAAAAAAQ4/sdrlJOtm0R8/s400/Niles_Sutherland.jpg" border="0" alt="Niles and Sutherland Report" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5301674531332559938" /></a><br />
<strong><em>Pls,click to image for read!</em></strong><br />
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<strong>Abd Ulusal Arşivleri'ndeki Emory Niles ve Arthur Sutherland Raporu</strong><br />
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Amerikalı Yüzbaşı Emory Niles ve Arthur Sutherland,Amerika Birleşik Devletleri Hükümeti tarafından,Doğu Anadolu'nun durumunu araştırmak üzere görevlendirildi.<br />
Bu rapor,Amerikan Yakın Doğu Yardım Kuruluşu (Near East Relief) tarafından, Ermenilere yardım aşamasında referans olarak kullanıldı.<br />
<strong><em>Amerika Ulusal Arşivleri 184.021/175</em></strong><br />
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IV. Mezalimler<br />
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Bizim araştırma konumuzla direkt ilgili olmamasına rağmen bizde iz bırakan çok çarpıcı bir gerçek var ki o da, Bitlis’ten Trabzon’a kadar geçtiğimiz tüm noktalarda, diğer bölgelerde Türkler tarafından Ermeniler’e karşı işlenen suçlar ve yapılan zulümlerin aynısının bu bölgelerde Ermeniler tarafından Türkler’e yapılmış olmasıdır. İlk başta bize anlatılan hikayelere kuşkulu yaklaşmakla birlikte, görgü tanıklarının ifadelerindeki fikir birliğini, kendilerine yapılan yanlışları gözle görülür bir istekle anlatmalarını, Ermeniler’e karşı duydukları bariz nefreti ve herşeyden daha önemlisi, ortadaki somut kanıtları gördükten sonra şu gerçekler hakkında ikna olduk:<br />
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1- Ermeniler Müslümanlar’a büyük çaplı olarak çeşitli zalimliklerde bulunmuşlardır.<br />
2- Köylerde ve kasabalarda meydana gelen yıkımlardan büyük oranda Ermeniler sorumludur.<br />
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Ruslar ve Ermeniler ülkeyi 1915 ve 1916 yıllarında hatırı sayılır bir zaman birlikte işgal etmişlerdir ve bu süre içinde çok az düzeyde karışıklık çıkmış olmasına rağmen Ruslar’ın verdiği zararlar şüphesizdir. 1917 yılında Rus ordusu dağılmış ve Ermeniler’i yönetim ve kontrolde kendi başlarına bırakmıştır. Bu dönemde başıbozuk Ermeni askeri çeteleri, ülkeyi amaçsızca dolaşıp köyleri yağmalamışlar ve Müslüman sivil halkı katletmişlerdir. Türk ordusunun Erzincan, Erzurum ve Van’da ilerlemesi üzerine dağılan Ermeni ordusunun düzenli ve düzensiz birliklerini oluşturan tüm askerleri ise bunun arkasından bölgedeki Müslüman halkın mal mülklerine zarar vermişler ve bölge halkına türlü zulümler yapmışlardır. Bunun sonucunda, geriye ülke halkının eski nüfüsunun yaklaşık olarak sadece dörtte biri kalmış ve ülkede bulunan yapıların gene yaklaşık olarak sekizde yedisi talan edilmiştir. Tamamen harabeye dönmüş olan bu ülkedeki en acıklı olay ise Ermeniler’den nefret eden Müslümanlar’ın bu nefretinin, iki ırkın şu gün itibariyle aynı bölgede birlikte yaşama olasılığını tamamen ortadan kaldırmasıdır. Müslümanlar, bir Ermeni Hükümeti’nin boyunduruğu altında yaşamaya zorlanırlarsa savaşacaklarını beyan etmişler ve bize de bu tehditlerini gerçekleştirecek gibi görünmüşlerdir ki bu görüşümüz, karşılaştığımız tüm Türk görevliler, Amerikan görevliler ve İngiliz görevliler tarafından paylaşılmıştır.<br />
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Durumu daha da kötüleştirici diğer bir konu ise sınır ötesindeki gidişattır. Mültecilerin şikayetlerinin ne kadarının ne ölçüde doğru olduğunu bilmemize ya da Müslümanların bu duruma ne ölçüde sebebiyet verdiklerini yani gerçekte Ermeniler’e karşı organize bir direniş göstermeleri yüzünden bu durumdan sorumlu olup olmadıklarını bilmemize imkan yoktur. Her halükarda, hududun Türk tarafında olan yerli halk, sınırın Ermeni tarafında bulunan din kardeşlerinin Ermeniler tarafından katledildiğine ve mümkün olabilecek en büyük zalimliklere maruz kaldığına inanmakta ve bu durum da halkın Ermenilere karşı olan hislerini bir kat daha yoğunlaştırmaktadır. Kafkasya’daki gerçek gidişatı tespit etmeye yönelik bir araştırmanın yapılması şiddetle tavsiye edilmektedir. Bu araştırma sonucunda şayet Müslümanlar’ın ifadelerinin doğru olduğu ortaya çıkar ise halihazırda kalıcı bir uzlaşmayı kaçınılmaz kılan şartlar sözkonusu iken, bu durumu daha da zora koşacak olası karışıklıkların ve isyanların bir an evvel engellenmesi gerekmektedir.<br />
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Mültecilerin ve yerli halkın ekte bulunan mezalimler ile ilgili ifadelerine dikkat etmeniz hususu arz olunur.<br />
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Full Report:<br />
http://louisville.edu/a-s/history/turks/Niles_and_Sutherland.pdf<br />
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Others Links:<br />
http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2005/07/67-captain-emory-niles-and-mr-arthur.html<br />
http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/niles-sutherland.htm<br />
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Russian commander: “I consider adding that Armenians are looting Kurdish villages and raping Kurdish women as my duty.” The publication of Armenian nationalists: “The area, where 800 thousands Kurds inhabited were completely emptied.” General Bolhovitinov: “When the hunter battalion came back it encountered with bodies of 20 Muslim children, who were cut into pieces.” Another Russian commander: “Which precautions shall we take against looter Armenian volunteers?” <br />
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20 children who were cut into pieces in Tatvan --><a href="http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2008/05/2459-800-thousand-kurds-were.html">Click for Continue</a><br />
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<i>Turkish</i><br />
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<b>Ermeni Saldırılarıyla 800.000 Kürt yok oldu.</b><br />
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Rus Komutan: ''Ermenilerin Kürt köylerini yağmaladıklarını ve Kürt kadınlarına tecavüz ettiklerini eklemeyi görev sayarım''<br />
Ermeni milliyetçilerinin yayın organı: ''800 bin Kürt'ün yaşadığı alan tamamen boşaldı.Yüzlerce Kürt köyü boşaldı ve yerle bir oldu''<br />
General Bolhovitinov: ''Avcı taburu döndüğünde 20 müslüman çocuğu doğranmış halde bulmuş''<br />
Bir başka Rus komutan: ''Yağmacı Ermeni gönüllülere karşı hangi önlemleri alacağız?''<br />
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Tatvan'da doğranan 20 çocuk --><a href="http://www.atahouston.org/Portals/0/NTForums_Attach/20-23.pdf">Yazının tamamını için(pdf file)</a>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0